Question for "sweet science"/defensive fighter fans

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by thewoo, Aug 6, 2008.


  1. moneymayweather

    moneymayweather Active Member Full Member

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    PBF - N'Dou one of my favorite fights ever
     
  2. nickfoxx

    nickfoxx On The Nod Full Member

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    if that is true then explain why hopkins keeps getting big paydays and hasnt had an entertaining fight since he annihilated tito
     
  3. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Part of that is good promotion and part of that is good matchmaking. Against Carl Daniels and Robert Allen he made peanuts. When paired with a big name like DLh and Calzage he made good money.

    Mind you I am not saying that any particular fighter doesn't deserve to get paid. If the fans are willing to pay then so be it. What I am saying is that a fan does have a right to criticise a fighter if he does not enjoy the performance. If I go to the movies to see a movie and the movie sucks I have the right to complain, same deal with boxing, if I don't like what I see I have the right to choose not to see that fighter any more.
     
  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its a lie. Boxings history shows us that it was a game to see who was toughest with their fist, back then it was a case of whoever gets KO first. Over the years, for the purpose of health and safety boxing rules has been modified so that it is more a game rather than a fight, it became a game of "tap".

    In reality, boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, but the not getting hit part was simply to outlast your opponent. So its good if you are landing shots that really hurt and not getting hurt in return, not so good when neither fighter are getting hurt altogether.

    Real boxing is about fighting and hurting your opponent, lets not forget that. It is first and most primarily about offense, not defense.
     
  5. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    If you want skills mixed with good action - there are plenty of great fights to choose from.

    Hagler vs Tony Sibson. Hagler put on a boxing exhibition against the powerful Sibson until he was weakened - then he turned on the heat and beat the man into the canvas.

    Hopkins vs Echols I - Echols was an undefeated KO artist charging at Hopkins with everything he had. Hopkins used every trick in the book to box Echols ears off hadning the young lion his first loss.

    Chavez vs Whitaker - You might have to go all the way back to a Willie Pep fight to see a better display of masterful boxing. Sweat Pea boxed Chavez like he was a pinata. Whitaker wore out the onrushing Chavez with skillful angels and punches and once JCC was tired - he even pressed the fight battering El Gran Campeon with unanswered combination after combination.

    Leonard vs Hagler - You know the story no doubt. Leonard had Hagler tamed by the 11th round.

    Duran vs Barkley - The aged warrior Duran put on a counterpunching clinic against the much larger Barkley. Duran mixed his punches like a master chef and served up some fresh whoop ass to eventually drop Barkley to the canvas late in the 11th.
     
  6. JMonster

    JMonster Active Member Full Member

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    i don't put corey spinks in this category AT ALL. spinks isn't "sweet science" or nething like that. he's just...:(
     
  7. reed_man02

    reed_man02 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've never seen the fight but from your description it doesn't sound like it even remotly fits the decription of the type of fight I was looking for when I started the thread.
     
  9. Johnnyblaze

    Johnnyblaze Active Member Full Member

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    Hopkins/Trinidad. Hopkins was on his **** that night. He did everything right during that fight. He outboxed him from the outside, outfought him on the inside, beat him with his back to the ropes, pot-shotted a little, then brutally ko'd him (not in that order of course), all without being hit with any big punches. It was perfection.
     
  10. Johnnyblaze

    Johnnyblaze Active Member Full Member

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    Mayweather/Gatti. Floyd's combination punching was amazing. Triple left hooks.......5 straight right hands in a row without even throwing a jab......the 8 punch combinations, I can go on forever!! Even though Gatti was a sitting duck, still I don't think you will see a more brutal boxing lesson than that.
     
  11. eborted_l

    eborted_l New Full Member

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    The reason great defensive performances dnt come up on all time list of great fights is because for a fight to be really memorable great it must contain action coming from both ways, you know close. Most great defensive performances are a complete schooling of someone, so therefore might be on greatest performance lists but not great fights
     
  12. SorceryatCaesar

    SorceryatCaesar Leonard-Hagler author Full Member

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    leonard-benitez.

    two lightening quick mirror-image guys feinting so much you could cut the tension with a knife. oddly, not on their toes.
     
  13. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1) James Toney vs Evander Holyfield was amazing to watch, simply because of Toney's mastery of the sweet science. He made holyfield look like a journeyman, even holyfield was impressed/shocked. he admitted there is no excuse this time round. he said his legs were there, his arm was fine. it was just toney was too fast and too good!

    2) Mike Tyson vs Tyrell biggs! prime tyson was a excellent defensive fighter.

    3) David Tua vs Everton Davis- tua is not seen as a defensive fighter. well if you watch this fight then you will see that even a come forward fighter can have excellent defensive skills. he uses the same moves as james toney and holyfield. and he is a master with them.

    4) floyd mayweather vs oscar de la hoya.- who said ODLH almost won that fight??!:smoke

    5) nicolino locche vs fuji - its on youtube. this guy has absolutely insane defensive skills/reflexes. he also uses the same moves as James Toney. the difference between him n toney is that locche is more defensive minded whereas toney is a mastr at blending offense and defense together. this is his record won 117 (KO 14) + lost 4 (KO 1) + drawn 14 = 136
    AWESOME!!!:fire :scaredas: :deal
     
  14. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    thats exactly right.

    especially with so many sports competing for airtime and financial backing now, the emphasis is always going to be on come-forward KO artists.

    we all do it too because that's what we want to see. but it shouldn't detract from a great defensive fighter.
     
  15. Waney30

    Waney30 Member Full Member

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    A great fight... awsome.. it is amazing to watch as this fight progresses how PBF changedto fight like hatton and demolished him.