Question for the Mayweather fans only please...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by pasky2000, Dec 28, 2009.


  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Why is he an idiot? He made a fair point. You seem to only want to see answers that coincide with your own personal opinion. Mosley said before the Margo fight that he would beat him easily. That still didn't stop his team from checking Margo's gloves. If you know you're better than someone, why would you do nothing if you felt they were taking illegal measures to make themselves better?
     
  2. AMERICANBORN

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    Really? Nice cop out. Do you think cotto believed we would beat Margo? Do you think cotto wished they paid a little more attention to Margos wraps? Of course so. Obviously there is suspician on the mayweather side, and whether Floyd believes he can defeat Pac or not, he's speaking assuming the fight will be clean
     
  3. triplikeyoudo

    triplikeyoudo New Member Full Member

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    Then I guess it's safe to assume that FMJs last 40 fights weren't really fair for FMJ and his opponents because there were no Olympic style drug testings involved. Might I add that if that really is Ellerbe's and Haymon's insistence then why have they not filed their noble petition:

    By G. Leon
    GL: Obviously you're aware of the all of the hoopla surrounding the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Not the fight itself, rather the testing the fighters will udergo. After initially making some concessions, Arum has made it clear that he is leaving this to the Vegas Commission. As the Commissioner, can you tell us how Nevada will handle this matter? "As of right now, this is nothing different than any other fight we've had in Nevada. We'll do fight night drug testing via urine. We may, if we so choose, do in training urine tests as well. Neither side has asked us to do anything differently than that, so that's where it stands with the Nevada Athletic Commission."

    GL: Does Mayweather requesting additional testing not mandated by the NSAC lead you to believe that he feels your methods of testing are prehistoric?

    KK: "No. Not at all. I've talked to Leonard Ellerbe about it. That's definitely not their stance nor is it the stance they will be taking."

    GL: Do you think they have any position to claim that Manny Pacquiao is on something based on what you've seen in his fights from ringside?

    KK: "Nothing I've seen. No. Both of these gentleman have been successful moving up in weight and they've passed every drug test we've given them, so I'm pretty cofident they're playing by the rules, however that doesn't mean we're not going to be testing them fight night regardless of who they fight."

    GL: If the fight happens, the commissions drug testing procedures would be the standard operatig procedure that has been used in countless fights before it, correct?

    KK: "That's what we're using now. As with anything, any licensee can petition us to do something different. Years ago the Contender petitioned us for a smaller ring. The Commission at that time turned them down. We've had the UFC petition us to do their TV show and that petition was accepted. We've had other petitions over the years, some granted, some not. Any licensee, a fighter, promoter or both, can request that we do something additional. What the Commission would decide there would depend on the facts, the circumstances, the evidence and the five votes."

    GL: Who other than yourself would vote?

    KK: "I don't get a vote. I'm the director, there's five Commissioners, they would vote and majority rules."

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    GL: You weren't in charge when the De La Hoya-Mosley rematch took place, but we all know what happened with Shane following that fight. Have the standards of the commission been upgraded since then?

    KK: "Well I don't think that's the correct terminology. My understanding on the clear and the cream back then, not being an expert myself, but talking to experts was, that was invented by Balco to evade the drug testing that was being done on the time. Now they have a test for the clear and the cream, and the use of it has gone way down with the experts because now you can get caught. Now you have Marion Jones getting away with that at the Olympics, but we were able to catch Fernando Vargas and Ben Johnson. I think the standards have always been the highest level of testing. However, there are people out there who have temporarily found ways to evade the drug testing. That's what these experts get paid for, to close that gap and that time between the development of a new drug and a efficient test for it.

    I know HGH, they're still trying to find an efficient blood and urine test for it. There will always be that cat and mouse game. Our goal is not to catch people, but to deter them from using anything in the first place. You have to think the first deterrant is common decency. You're not just hitting a baseball further, you're hitting another human in the head harder than you should be able to. That in itself, should be enough to keep people from cheating like this. I think the congressional hearings have gone a long way in labeling these guys as losers and cheaters, whereas five years ago people would say why didn't that guy find a better way to cheat. Now they treat him Rosie Ruiz jumping on a subway in the Boston marathon. I think the public reaction more than anything else has helped these athletes realize that it's not worth it. I think a lot of athletes might have used in the past because they thought their opponent was and they weren't looking for an unfair advantage, they will looking to even the playing field.

    GL: Does Pacquiao not wanting to take the additional tests seems suspicious to you or do you think it's more of who the hell are you to tell me which non-mandated tests to take?

    KK: "Part of it might be the latter there, that both sides have dug in their heels pretty good based on the language used by both sides. As far as blood testing, you could have a situation where you could have bruising, you could nick a vein. I would never want to do blood testing in a locker room because it's an unsterile situation where you could have infection. Or Godforbid, they get infected with another disease because of the needle. It's a lot more dangerous than urine testing. We do require blood testing for HIV and Hepatitis B and C because that is the only efficient way to test for those viruses. And that's usually done 30 days before the fight unless somebody is a last minute sub, but those are done in a doctors office or a hospital, a sterile environment."

    GL: Do you ever see USADA testing becoming the standard in boxing?

    KK: "I don't know if there's much of a difference between what the USADA does and what the Nevada Commission or any other Commission does. The labs we use follow the same type of procedures. We all use the WADA list of prohibited substances."
     
  4. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everyone here is now assuming Pacquiao is doping which is still dumb speculation as we're speaking. Therefore we must take into account that Mayweather would be involved in a fair fight.

    The comparison with facing a fighter with head gear and loaded gloves is exaggerated.

    The question was simple and had no agenda. Is Mayweather that confident of giving Pacman a beating yes or no ? If yes, then no PED would save Pacman like a headgear or loaded gloves.
     
  5. AMERICANBORN

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    Haha seriously, you would think that when someone says they will beat someone else it is assumed it will be a fair fight is common sense, but I guess not
     
  6. BigReg

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    A PED will still give him an illegal advantage. It's pretty common not to want someone to cheat against you. I'm not sure why this concept is so hard for you to understand. I'm also not sure why you're discounting the possiblity that Floyd believes it's a harder fight than he's saying, or that Ellerbe and Haymon were very convincing when they brought up this idea to Mayweather.
     
  7. BigReg

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    It's pretty apparent that the NSAC isn't going to change their policy on this one. What would be the point of waiting until January 19th for them to decide when the fight needs to be signed before then?
     
  8. AMERICANBORN

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    No one is assuming he is doping, but at the same time in the world we live it's just as rediculous to assume anyone is clean, mayweather believes he can beat pacquiao in a fair fight, all these tests would do is further insure that the fight is fair, what don't you understand? What is your answer to your question?
     
  9. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's not the point from the start...

    It seems like Mayweather has been thinking Pacquiao is on something for a while now (RA interview as an example).

    He later claimed on more than one occasion that Pacquiao is not on his level and he would easily school him in the ring.

    Therefore he made that claim even if he already assumed Pacquiao was on PEDs, meaning he would beat him easy no matter what. If that's the case, then why not just skip over the bull**** and beat his ass ?

    Is he that confident ? Yes or No ? That's all..............
     
  10. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unfortunately it's more the other way around... Understand your side perfectly.

    I think Mayweather is not as confident of beating Pacquiao than most would think. I believe he has doubts even if he's better than Pacman. His doubts don't come from the possible PEDs but from what Pacman brings to the ring.

    I personally think Mayweather wins a UD but I'm sure him and his team are insecure deep down and they're looking for ways to get an edge.
     
  11. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's quite clear thank you.... From what I wrote above in this thread...

    That's not the point from the start...

    It seems like Mayweather has been thinking Pacquiao is on something for a while now (RA interview as an example).

    He later claimed on more than one occasion that Pacquiao is not on his level and he would easily school him in the ring.

    Therefore he made that claim even if he already assumed Pacquiao was on PEDs, meaning he would beat him easy no matter what. If that's the case, then why not just skip over the bull**** and beat his ass ?

    Is he that confident ? Yes or No ? That's all..............

    What's hard to understand from that simple question, from that simple scenario ?
     
  12. AMERICANBORN

    AMERICANBORN Active Member Full Member

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    Is he confident he could beat pacquiao? Yes. Is he confident he could beat the same pacquiao we've seen in recent fights, that he supposedly believes is juicing? Yes. Will he make it easy for pacquiao to juice for their fight? No.

    Just because he believes he can defeat pacquiao even though he juicing doesn't mean he's going to let him do it. It's an unfair advantage, and whether Floyd thinks he can beat him despite it or not, it's still not right and it's still an illegal unfair advantage
     
  13. triplikeyoudo

    triplikeyoudo New Member Full Member

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    Of course not and why should they until a petition is filed. My point being, to your point of FMJ'S team wanting a fair fight, is why only now? They now appear to be adamant in a level playing field, so perhaps they shouldnt've accepted the fight and indicated their priorities from the onset. Rather than create this huge roadblock at such a crucial time under the pretense that Manny is on roids.