Question regarding fighting with or without promotion?

Mayweather is investing in himself he pays for everything so he gets all the profits if the fight does well. Bob Arum invest in Manny's fight so he gets the back end of the profits but of course he has to pay Manny wahtever the money he has agreed to but its moslty up front. When you take financial risk you gain significantly more if things go well. This is not just in boxing but finance in general.

 

A fighter like RJJ with superior in-ring talent was gonna stay in the sport for a long time... 14 years undefeated actually. At the beggining of his career he didn't want to be promoted by the Don King's etc. So he went freelance. He had all the belts etc. so people had to chase him.

A fighter like Pac being with Bob Arum is heavily protected. He picks and chooses which fighters he wants to fight, at what catchweight and when he want's to fight them etc. Sometimes when things don't go his way Bob manages to get him a UD nod and some say... the outcome of the Clottey fight was pre-determined.

A fighter like Khan however is a GBP fighter... with Frank W he wasn't fighting top 10 opponents... ever since he won his WBA title he is. He bring's that cluster of audience from UK, Middle East and ****stan which is cool i guess.

Whereas, with Floyd he has worked his way up and understood the bussiness behind matchmaking and promotions. He makes decisions purely based on bussiness and keeps 100% of his PPV revenue etc. Tbh I like his approach the best **** the fans.... they not gonna be there once you retire...

I also liked how Roy dedicated his fights to causes e.g. cancer, diabetes etc and a portion of the revenue used 2 go to those instituions/NGO's. Martinez does that as well.

 

It almost never works that way in reality. The truth is, small and average sized promotions almost NEVER generate a profit for the promoter. The promoter is lucky is he breaks even by staging these events.

So why does the promoter do this, if he always operates at a loss, or at best, breaks even? I'll tell you why.

In small or average sized promotions, the promoter is only trying to build-up his house fighters, so that they can accumulate big winning records, and acquire good reputations with fight fans. If the promoter succeeds at this, then the house fighter can then be sold to ESPN, or the bigger cable networks, to fight for good money. At that point, the promoter -- for the first time -- begins to make a profit on the house fighters.

Small and medium time boxing is all about building up prospects and house fighters, so these fighters, their manager, and their promoter can cash out in the big leagues.

Based on what I just explained, it should be easy to understand why there are so many robberies and hometown decisions in boxing. Obviously, the small/middle sized promoter cannot afford to see his house fighter/prospect lose, because that would kill any potential of eventually selling the house fighter to the big league TV executives. Long story short: the promoter then loses everything he invested in the fighter by staging all these small and medium sized shows.

As for "average" fighters, most of them don't even have promoters. Promoters and managers don't want to invest money in "average" fighters. Thus, "average" fighters compete as "opponents," always going to the prospect's hometown to play the "B" side against the "A" side fighter.

What's true for Pac, Pretty Boy, Klits, Haye, etc., is not true for the other 99% of boxers and their promoters.

 

Yeah it depends on fighter to fighter. If you have the natural talent you should succeed.

Like with Khan for e.g. he was coming of a huge loss where the Brits had bad-mouthed him/wrote him off. He relocated and Golden Boy took him under thier wing. It also helped that Khan had a solid fanbase before moving to America. Cos tbh Khan is no RJJ.... he nothing more than a 1D glorified amateur fighter who has exceptional handspeed. Freddie and Ariza is the key... well Ariza is the main reason he's gone so far in the sport and is worth 20 million. He's looking to retire when he's 28.

 

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That's true only if the naturally talented fighter has a style that will entertain TV audiences. If the fighter is naturally talented but boring, the promoters and managers will avoid him like the plague, and the fighter's only option will be to play opponent (and get robbed most of the time).

 

Lucas Matthysee gets robbed alot in America although I think he's not boring.

 

My answers to your three questions are:

1. Yes, it is better to have a big, well financed promoter who works alongside HBO, etc. Frequently, a talented, marketable fighter will start with a smaller, regional promoter (who somehow found the cash to give him a signing bonus). Then, the smaller, regional promoter will bring the prospect to the bigger promoters to set up a co-promotion of sorts.

2. I don't know the answer to that question.

3. I don't know the answer to this question, either. However, I am 90% certain that Pretty Boy doesn't get 100% of PPV profit. It takes a lot of money and investment from several powerful sources (promoters, TV companies, owners of PPV frequencies, etc.) to stage these events, so I am sure that lots of people get a cut of the PPV profits.

 

The beautiful thing about boxing is that, as fans, we can appreciate lots of different styles. Often, I find that the fighters who are "too boring" for TV are the most interesting to watch. They play chess in the ring...take their time, out-think their opponents, out-jab them. Unfortunately, most of the public doesn't go in for that style.

 

you do realize the cable provider takes a huge chunk of the PPV revenue right?

Mayweather pays Golden Boy for thier services he writes them a check

You cant talk about Manny like he is sitting in Floyds position. You have to talk about Bob Arum since he is the financial backing on that side