Question time..

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  1. atigerofold

    atigerofold Active Member Full Member

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    CHB, a very tough one you have given us here.
    I have been searching for one hour now.
    (need your sympathy vote now...but will wait for more clues)

    Searched the nineteen seventies, then the fifties, then the twenties.

    Will wait for more clues then pounce!
     
  2. COULDHAVEBEEN

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    It's not Marchini & it sounds like at least the Tiger's earned a clue.

    Hint: Aussie (I guess that was apparent anyway) and Aussie born, in the late 1800's.
     
  3. COULDHAVEBEEN

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    Additional Hint

    Order of events:
    1/ Won Aust middleweight title in 2nd pro fight.
    2/ Challenged for a South African title.
    3/ Challenged for Aust heavyweight title.
    4/ Won Australasian light heavyweight title.
     
  4. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Marchini KO 10 Pran Mikus ...1955 M/W title.
    Marchini W/P 15 Clarrie Grogan ....1955 LH/W title
    Allen Williams W/Ps 15 Carlos Marchini... 1959 H/W title

    Ok.... will have to find the other... cheers.
     
  5. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Second stab will be Tom Duggan..... ??
    Third attenpt being Tim murphy....??
     
  6. old man

    old man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Forgetting the last 25 years and going back a 100 you will find there has only ever been 2 boxers that have won Australian titles in their second fights and they are Junior Thompson and Tony Barber.
    You are asking an invalid or Questionable Question.:patsch
    You should have said disputed:deal
     
  7. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    OM... had a second glance through the Fighter mags.... Is there a chance of a mistaken date regarding 'that fight'???????

    P.S... You needed another 25 fights to secure a financial life.... looks like you have a good 30 years in front of you... Cheers mate.
     
  8. Rodin

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  9. COULDHAVEBEEN

    COULDHAVEBEEN Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Correct answer Rodin - hopefully correct weight as well O.M.

    BoxRec states that Cripps won the Aust middleweight title 13th Jan 1903 in his second pro fight. I beleive all the other parts of the question check out as well - but feel free to correct me.
     
  10. atigerofold

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  11. COULDHAVEBEEN

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    Good info Tiger...interesting chap alright our Mr Cripps.

    Off the subject a bit mate:

    The early episodes of the new UNDERBELLY series have focussed on the KANE brother's boxing gym of the late 1970’s, run by Les & Bryan Kane.

    The Kane brothers had a feud with the armed robbers led by Raymond 'Chuck' Bennett who did the Bookie Robbery.

    A story goes that during the robbery boxing trainer Ambrose Palmer is referred to by name by one of the robbers. Ambrose apparently recognized the mans voice as that of someone whom he'd trained years earlier. He kept the mans identity to himself for sometime but eventually let slip that it was none other than Les Kane.
     
  12. atigerofold

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    This is not the case CHB...just a development of myth from pieces of evidence.
    The Bookie Club was an exclusive distinguished group of horse racing identities and on-track-bookmakers, that met regularly and talked about horse racing. It had a bar, and you could also place a bet there. (tabcor grabbed their old idea and have now marketed it to the back teeth, but back then, it was exclusive.) Ambrose Palmer was a avid horse race fan. He invested in some horses. He often invested in a bet. He would regularly go to Flemington Members and Caulfield Membes on each Saturday.

    When the masked robbers entered the booky club, they told all punters and dignatories to get down on the ground, except Ambrose, he was allowed to sit on a chair...the crook saying to him, "Not you Ambrose, you sit on a chair" or words to that affect. Not one to argue with a gun, Ambrose sat on the chair. He did not know the character and did not identify the character.....reason for this was that he did not know the character and could not identify the character.

    You've read my text in another Kane Thread.....I will not further espouse the finer virtues of the legend Palmer here again. Legends are known by everyone, including masked robbers. If Bert Newton had have been at the booky club, who knows he might have gained a seat also, and also been included in this mystery. Just bad luck that Ambrose was at the club enjoying his racing and racing friends that day.

    I can honestly say that I have never heard that Palmer was ever able to reveal that Les Kane was the man who was 'courteous' to him at the Great Bookie Robbery. I think this is a speculation, or an invention, invented by others for their own different reasons...probably invented over much alcohol. ( I say this with my own very interested and clear mind about this event - at that time, and hearing that Amby was at the Club; I had good information, with regards to the things I was doing as a policeman then, and shortly after the event when serving as a detective in two of the major crime squads in Melbourne - but what would a dumb-ole, punchy, ex- coppa know? )

    Such a shame that these brave people come out after Palmer had died and manufacture more myth.
     
  13. COULDHAVEBEEN

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    More good info Tiger - I should have read this one earlier in the day but didn't realise it was here til now.
     
  14. flamengo

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    Tiger..... Im glad you wrote that piece regarding Ambrose, and the bookie robbery. For several years, I actually convinced my self that one of the 'robbers' may have been a deceased old friend of mine.. He, himself boxed under Ambrose and coincidently afforded himself a rather nice house, out of the blue, not long after the bookie robbery. I remeber this man saying he'd been involved in a robbery also, with a very wry smile.... enough said, as I cant mention a name. Cheers for the 'disappointing' facts.
     
  15. flamengo

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    Also relating to Cripps, the man must have been very durable.. Having been involved in 22 Australian M/W title bouts, losing 2 by foul, and 2 on points, is freakish.