Question To Mayweather Fans, Not Bashing Him... Honest...

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  1. imp4pdabest

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    Hell yeah. I think the Oscar that faced PBF was better competition then the Cotto that fought Mosley. Styles make fights.
     
  2. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    I don't think so. even before the Margo-cotto bout, cotto was favored to beat mayweather. and despite cotto's loss, i don't think it wasn't hype.
    that version of miguel cotto who went 11 rounds with margo would be hard to deal with even for mayweahter. especially if that cotto wasn't moving to the backfoot but forward.

    and i think margo beats mayweather.
     
  3. imp4pdabest

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    No, alot of ppl wanted Cotto to beat Mayweather. I guarantee if the fight would've been made and everyone had to bet their money on the fight, guarantee PBF would be favord
     
  4. Atritionist

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    :good Cool, yeah I gotta admit you def ain't the typical PBF fan, or else you wouldn't of made that statement of Oscar being better comp than Cotto.
    One last thing though, Do you think a prime DLH would of beat Floyd in that fight? or would Floyd still found the way to make it out and win the Decision?
     
  5. imp4pdabest

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    Thanx man. I just call it how I see it. I dont always agree with Floyd himself. I think he deserves to make more money considering how much money is being drawn because of these fights. PBF & Oscar are the only guys who know how to play it smart and get what their worth. Margo needs to get what he's worth. Cotto, Pavlik, Williams, Clottey, PacMan, none of those guys are getting what their worth.

    But I think a prime Oscar vs PBF would be a very good fight. A SD for PBF, if not then a draw. In this fight, DLH wouldn't really have a size advantage because he would be at his natural weight, and in his prime he's more comfortable then PBF is at 147. I pick PBF cause he's still a little faster and smarter than Oscar. But Oscar is a technician at 147, so it could be a draw. I'd love to see this fight.
     
  6. batang kanto

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    Oh man, you're racking up he posts. 808, too fast.

    anyway. though i may agree the oscar that fought PBF was better than the cotto that fought mosley, Cotto over-all is still the better competition for PBf than oscar. The oscar that got tagged repeatedly by Forbes would have been outboxed all-over again by PBF despite the jab. cotto would bring much more to the ring if he faced pbf. Cotto was bothered by the power of mosley that's why he backed foot in the later rounds while i don't think the welterweight mayweather would have enough power to send cotto backfooting.
     
  7. batang kanto

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    and i don't think a prime oscar gets beaten by PBF.
    mayweather vs. old oscar resulted in a split decision. he was winning the early rounds before he tired out and loss the later rounds. a prime osacr would have done much better than a draw. in this fight, oscar would still have the size advantage against mayweather even at 147.
     
  8. Atritionist

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    I would of love to see it too, I think it could of played out as a trilogy. Oscar winning 1 Floyd taking 2. all decisions and technical as ****. **** that would of been studied for ages.
     
  9. imp4pdabest

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    Mayweather vs Cotto would be a slower version of Mayweather vs Hatton. Clottey and Mosley are both better competition for PBF than Cotto. And you really cant go off of the Forbes DLH fight cause everyone gets hit, even in sparring. Oscar knew Forbes couldnt hurt him, thats why he fought the way he did. Oscar was practicing on his jab that night, it wasnt about defense.
     
  10. imp4pdabest

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    Yep. It would be a good match up. I think the prime Oscar gives any welter to ever live a hard match up and has a good chance of winning.
     
  11. batang kanto

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    would you really believe cotto is nothing but a slower version of hatton? cotto takes a punch a lot better than hatton, cotto moves better than hatton and puts together better punch combinations, more powerful, and arguably, faster. slower version of hatton? what a way to dismiss this fight.

    ive seen clottey only against margo and judah. i don't see anything special about him aside from being a solid fighter and definitely big for a welterweight. mosley is too old to beat mayweather. even cotto was able to outbox him.

    here's a question, who would you favor between williams and mayweather?

    i don't think oscar just shrugs off the defense agaisnt forbes knowing he can't be hurt. that's a funny way to claim it. forbes messed up oscar's face too much to think oscar just doesn't mind. it's just that oscar doesn't have the reflexes anymore to avoid those coming punches. PBF's laser potshots would have outpointed him all over again had they rematched. pressure is a better tool than jab for dlh to beat mayweather. he just needs the stamina.
     
  12. imp4pdabest

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    Hatton does a way better job than Margo or Cotto at cutting off the ring and pressuring the opponent. Well, at least the Hatton that faced PBF. Of course Cotto hits harder. But both guys put together some damn good viscious combos to the body.

    Clotteys style is what would make it a hard fight for PBF. He's a better defensive fighter and a better counterer than than Cotto or Margo.

    And please admit that Oscar just wanted to practice his jab. And how the hell is he to know that his face was getting busted. Even though his face got busted, that doesnt necessarily mean those shots hurt him. He didnt want to make it look like a sparring match.

    And yes, the rematch would've been much worse for DLH cause PBF knowing that both men would be leaving the sport after the fight, he would go all out on Oscar. He would've tried harder and really embarrassed Oscar.
     
  13. batang kanto

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    yes he does a way better job at cutting of the ring and that is by running like a football player looking for a tackle. aside from that, he doesn't know what to do. when mayweather is already at the corner, he can't punch because mayweather can clinch him easily being the stronger fighter. he can't lean on mayweather's shoulder to land those uppercuts and body punches being the shorter fighter. and when it gets down to punch for punch fight, hatton is the one that gets hurt first. heck, even in the middle rounds, his ability to cut the ring and lack of firepower and chin to back it up made him vulnerable to mayweather's counters. all this advantage mayweather had over hatton would be turned over once he gets on with cotto or margo for that matter. mayweather's only chance to win is to stay in the center of the ring and potshot while praying that he doesn't get trapped in the corner too often.

    yes, the fight with forbes showed oscar experiment with his jab. but even with this, he could have done much better avoiding punches had he possess the old reflexes of a young dlh. and jabbing was supposed to help him avoid the pbf potshots, i was surprised it failed to help him against those landed by forbes. the fight showed he wouldn't win over mayweather with it. but it showed something else--he lasted the bout without slowing down like he did in his last fight.
     
  14. imp4pdabest

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    mayweather could easily clinch with cotto. its not like cotto cant be clinched. its not hard to hold someone. look at bernard, he'ss 44 yrs old and is still the games best clincher. LMAO at the Hatton tackling comment. But even if Mayweather doesnt KO or knockdown Cotto, he still tags him all nite. Mayweather could lean on the ropes and still get the best of Cotto. Remember, Mayweather is a very good defensive fighter even close up. And of course he wont get trapped in the corner too often, he's too smart for that. He's not gonna let Cotto steal rounds.

    And the only reason he didnt get tired is because he didnt have to find Forbes like he had to go and find Mayweather.

    Face it, Oscar would get schooled even worse, and Mayweather would win by easy UD if not late KO over Cotto. But the Shwayze show Buzzin is on so I'm done comparing Mayweather to bums for the nite, I'll try to help you understand what boxing is tomorrow. Peace!
     
  15. o_money

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    As things stand there would be nothing in a return to increase Mayweather's greatness because none of the current welterwieght crop are great fighters; thus, it wouldn't be that defied the odds and proved everyone wrong type victory that he would need to take him to the next level all time p4p. If one of Margo, Berto, Clottey, Willaims or Cotto ever cleans out the division and becomes a superstar then maybe....but as it stands PBF would be favoured to beat any of them and a victory over any of them wouldn't be impressive enough to be worth his time.