Question ?What say you on Maidana/Khan ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by burt bienstock, Dec 12, 2010.


  1. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was just thinking of Eduardo Lausse,the middleweight who I saw fight at MSG. A very hard punching swarmer, in the Marcel Cerdan style, though not as good as Cerdan...Lausse was MUCH busier than Maidana, and was a volume puncher, while the smaller Maidana is a stalker,though a poweful puncher, when he connects. Both are great action fighters that always
    thrilled the fans...Poor Marcos had to have a Joe Cortez on his back....
     
  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    I would love to see that.
     
  3. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    do you think Khan is really a "cute" type? I like Khan but his skillset is getting overrated here.
     
  4. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Burt, I'm glad you enjoyed a modern boxing match. :good:bbb

    Last week I thought Katsidis vs Marquez was very likely to be FOTY, but Khan vs Maidana is certainly a contender as well. I was on the edge of my seat during the first three rounds, wondering if Maidana could hang in there. Then the next few rounds he manages to do so. In the 10th he lands a huge bomb and I'm on the edge of my seat, wondering if Khan will be able to survive.

    There was a huge amount of time - something like 2 minutes - left in the round when Khan got hurt. I didn't think he'd make it and screamed him to take a knee! As someone else pointed out, the moment Khan was on the backfoot not throwing much, Maidana's effectiveness rose exponentially. Thus leading to a positive feedback system. Still, somehow he managed to survive and stun Maidana in the final seconds. It's one of those fights where both the combatants stock went up.

    Maidana is one of those guys who look like they can't box at all, but their power and imposing strength is something that only the guy in front of him notices. I saw him fight Kotelnik - a great boxer vs puncher match - and couldn't help but see the same thing. The same Kotelnik who almost beat Devon Alexander, by the way.


    Khan proved a lot last night. He is incredibly tough, he is one of the most gifted young boxers today, has excellent technique and while his chin isn't great, it's not that bad, either. Maidana dropped, stunned or hurt every opponent I ever saw him fight. His offense is a bit one dimensional, but it's damn effective. I'd say he's like a lightweight Wlad with a bit less punching power.

    I'd make him at least even money with anyone at 140* and below, and that says something considering the talent there is.


    *Except Pacquiao.
     
  5. DannyL12345

    DannyL12345 Active Member Full Member

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    I think if Cortez didn't interfere so much, Khan would have gotten knocked out.
     
  6. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    This is a great post and sums up my feelings perfectly.

    The fact that Khan didn't even take a knee in the 10th to buy some time, when he was so ahead on the scorecards and could afford too as well, showed tremendous heart to me.
     
  7. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Nah, he's no cutie, but he is a textbook box-fighter type.These kind of fighters, especially the really modern squared up ones can often be a lot more comfortable against other "schooled" fighters, rather than the unpredictable unorthodox who couldn't care less about getting into a nice classy textbook fight.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    In an earlier thread I said:

    That said, "if" and only if you're comparing them in terms of their class, I think you're either overrating Maidana or underrating Darchinyan there. Darchinyan is an awkward, weird fighter but he's a savvier operator most of the time than people give him credit for. Occasionally he goes Mosley and it all goes out the window, but still, his results over the years have spoken for themselves in a substance over aesthetics manner.

    Maidana has only proved to be of a great challenger-level in his two attempts against a champion. Meanwhile, Vic has had four goes at a reigning champion in three weight classes and only come up shy once, in his third weight. I think there's a significant class difference there but I might change my mind if Maidana's career goes very differently in a few years. If you were just comparing them in terms of both being awkward punchers, then forget I said anything. :lol:
     
  9. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopefully Khan has now exorcised those personal demons that have obviously played a big part in how he fought this fight & i hope freddy gives him a real serious talking too about the folly of letting personality interfear with bizness. Now he's got to show true maturity & discipline & take the next step up & pay due diligence to his trade & adhere to what stratergy his team set out for him & no more Pacman impersonations. It's now onwards & upwards.

    I've always like Larry Merchant....but what a rude ignorant **** & i can now see why he's disliked in some quarters. he was the same with Naz.
     
  10. McGrain

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    I'd compare them in terms of type, type of fighter, type of challenge.

    Both are straight-edge boxers who are athletically gifted who came up, at similar points in their careers (Mijares further on) a test that was difficult because it was off-centre. As lora said, fighters of this type can come unstuck when set against this type.

    Vic would be ranked higher pound for pound than Maddie, still is, even. That's a given. But there is a good match for type of challenge presented, Khan passed his, Mijares failed. I think it's a real watershed moment for Khan for that reason.
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chris, A great post you wrote. I am not some old fuddy duddy who say there are no great fights or fighters today,as in the old days. Not at all.
    The Katsidis / Marquez and the Madaina / Amhir fights thrilled me no end.
    All four of these fighters are THROWBACKS to some of the fighters of my youth in the 1940s...True warriors, including Khan who shocked me in his ability to absorb some of Maidanas lethal bombs, ands remain upright.
    He ,I believe was attempting to prove that the Prescott ko was an abberation, and to me at least, khan proved he doesn't have a Dresden
    Chin...I am very impressed by his handspeed and sharp punching ability.
    Reminded me of a young De La Hoya.
    Having said that, I repeat that Joe Cortez as also shown in the Hatton/
    Mayweather fight, doesn't allow any infighting,a lost art today. He would not have refereed at Madison Square Garden in my days. He should referee the amateur bouts where bodypunching means zilch ! Phewey!
    Can you imagine good ole Fritzie Zivic ply his trade today, or Harry Greb, or Henry Armstrong, or Sandy Saddler, or Mike the Body Snatcher , with the likes of Joe Cortez refereeing ?They would quut the Ring...
    To use a bullfighting metaphor, Cortez favors the matador over the poor bull. Not a fair matchup...:good
     
  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    burt, i love watching lausse left hook.a lot of the time you can see it coming when he drops his left shoulder or just cocks it and twists at his waist...............but when you don't........bang.
     
  13. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Cortez has always sucked. When youre done watching a fight you should have to think twice about who the ref was. I hate refs that are too involved.
    Khan does have a weak chin and always will, but he was in good shape not weight drained and put a good performance for what he has. Maidaina is no pushover and Khan took his lumps to get some respect in there and landed some good ones of his own. I think he grows from this fight and Roach has him boxing and moving very well.