Questioning a fighters heart?

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  1. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True.There always someone more tougher and determined.Aj definitely not one of them.First of he has a glass chin.Plus he been treated like Royalty in England living the lavish life and people treating himlike Royalty.This will make a fighter susceptible to being BRIT tle in the face of adversity.
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    You said:

    "but there are fighters who have the type of heart that would have had them glued to the refs instructions because they are so afraid the fight might get stopped, they really, really want to fight. thats the type of gameness that should be celebrated"

    I understood from this that you show ignore pulling yourself together when you hit the canvas and just stand up straight away to show the ref you are fine because you are big hearted, tough ass dude.

    And I am saying, no, if you took a big ass shot, get up because you have heart, but take a safe amount of time to recoup because that's being smart and experienced. Dillian Whyte can explain it better to you, because he went through that exact transition and that guy has heart for days.
     
  3. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's such an important part of boxing that people are always going to judge it. It's difficult to measure and judge, but the concept of mental strength combined with their toughness and ability to carry on (essentially what 'heart' is I suppose), decides lots of fights.

    If Fury doesn't get up vs Wilder, he loses that fight and the heavyweight landscape is totally different. That took heart - it's inevitable people are going to discuss it.

    I agree - people can be a bit insensitive when discussing things like this; but I don't think you are able to have sophisticated discussion on boxing if you totally leave out discussions on 'heart' because it can be a bit "brash" or "insensitive" in your eyes.
     
  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Yeah he needs a drastic change, not a quick fix here and there. Think maybe Mcracken has taken him as far as he could, but we won't know till a rematch. Then again, he can;t afford to lose a rematch. And he does plan on staying firmly put with his team, he says they are great, and camp was excellent.
     
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  5. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Where do we draw the line with heart? Do you end up like stevenson? Do you just give no ****s and stand up so you can fall through the ropes?

    When you do a bench press by yourself and your squeezing for that last rep, you know in your head if you can do one more or not, it might look from the outside that you have more in you, but only you yourself know if you can safely do another rep, or have the bar fall on you and get stuck.

    Now I am sure some fighters out there wil have wanted out of a fight, but I mention specific fighters here, whose hearts should even be a discussion AT ALL!!

    Parker toook a flush Dillian hook got up and smiled. AJ got up four times enough said.

    The brash, insensitive posters are the key problem on this forum. Who for damn sure ain;t been through the same **** themselves, but we can put them through it no problem.
     
  6. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i said nothing of the sort. this isnt that hard to understand. there are fighters that will completely disregard their personal safety, to keep trying to win. i never said it was smart, but i will say that its beautiful, and it should be celebrated.
     
  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Right, so stupidity should be celebrated? If you want to celebrate, and you find it beautiful then fine.

    Don't say it "should" because that is subjective.

    If a fighter continues a fight where he is getting punished, that is beautiful, but taking a knee is perfectly fine, I NEVER admired a fighter who skipped the count like an idiot with too much heart and not take enough time to recoup on the count...
     
  8. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am not expressing an opinion on how much or little fighters need to show 'heart' so the Stevenson point is irrelevant here.

    I think we agree that some posters on this forum can be a bit ignorant and dismissive about fighters - but my point is that if you stopped talking about 'heart' altogether, it leaves out discussion on an attribute where fights are won and lost. You can't just censor it; but I agree that people could probably be a bit more considered when discussing it.
     
  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    That's fair I can agree with that stance, some posters are very insensitive... but most of the time it takes a real amount of heart to just step in.

    There are many jobs in this world that require a lot of heart, that not all of us can do.
     
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  10. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    wtf are you even talking about? who said anything about taking a knee? try just going by what i write, not what you think im trying to say.
     
  11. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    "them glued to the refs instructions because they are so afraid the fight might get stopped"

    Explain to me what you meant by this statement of yours, break it down/elaborate... give me an example/
     
  12. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    it means when the ref asks you if you want to continue, or to step forward, or give him your gloves, you are looking him in the eye and responding to his commands so that he deems you fit to continue.
     
  13. Southpawswitch

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    AJ isn’t heartless...he’s just a bum.
     
  14. TheMotorCityCobra

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    I don't know about a drastic change. Lets play devil's advocate. This is a guy who has beaten Klitschko, Whyte, Povetkin, and Parker. Maybe he just had a bad night at the office. Maybe he wins the rematch. If he finishes Ruiz after he dropped him, it's just business as usual. Maybe he just got careless after he dropped Andy. It's the HW division, he got clipped by a 270 pound violent punching, fearless dude. Sometimes **** happens. The rematch will be very, very interesting. Maybe a loss is just what he needed because he was getting complacent. Do we just put way too much emphasis on one loss or one bad night? Just some things to ponder.
     
  15. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    And when does the ref ask you to continue? After you get up? Or when you are on the floor dizzy as ****?

    All I said was a fighter gets hurt and hits the canvas, he should get up slowly in time for the count. Not get up fast because he want's to get back in the fight quickly (too much heart).

    And AJ got up, looked directly at the at referee and said he was fine after the 4th knockdown. He had his arms on the ropes but the referee did not ask for his arms to be brought forward.

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    So maybe some fighters weren't glued to the referee's instructions when they got up, AJ WAS NOT ONE OF THEM PEOPLE/.