Questions About Floyd Mayweather to Leonard/Hearns/Duran Comparison

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by walk with me, Sep 23, 2013.


  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have a question for everyone that is interested about this comparison.


    According To Boxrec-
    Mayweather started his career at super featherweight and got his first championship belt vs genaro hernandez
    Leonard started his career at welterweight and got his first championship belt vs Pete Ranzany
    Duran started his career at lightweight and got his first championship belt vs Ken Buchanan
    Thomas hearns started his career at welterweight and got his first championship belt vs Pipino Ceuvas





    I say all that to say this. A lot of people say that Floyd isn't as good as these guys and always ask how floyd would fair against them but how come nobody ever asks these questions....




    How would a 160 lb version of Sugar Ray Leonard & Thomas Hearns do against a prime 168 lb version of Roy Jones JR/Joe Calzaghe/Bernard Hopkins or Carl Froch

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    How would a 154 lb version of roberto duran do against a prime 160 lb version of sugar ray robinson or carlos monzon





    I'm not saying this as some sort of appreciation towards mayweather but it just interests me that nobody ever thinks about the equation of floyd vs the fantastic 4 (including hagler who would basically have to fight an evander holyfield in jumping 3 weight classes) the other way around
     
  2. ross

    ross Active Member Full Member

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    I see your point. I would just like to have seen him against a prime DLH or Mosley.
     
  3. dannyboy147

    dannyboy147 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You never see any threads saying someone ducked Mayweather, its only Floyd who has ever ducked or cherry picked never anybody else, its mad.

    I also would have loved seeing him against a prime Shane and Oscar. I don't think Oscar would ever beat Floyd but I think prime Shane gives him a hell of a fight. People these days forget just how good Shane was, real heavy hands too and extremely quick.
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i don't think shane would have ever gave floyd trouble. Shane at 130 was fighting trash cans.
     
  5. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    NABF is worth mentioning as a championship? How about we stick to world championships, since a much better measurement of a fighter and is what is being used for everyone else in this case. So Leonard won his first world championship from Benitez. He also started barely within the welterweight range, going into fights from 141-145.

    Wrong. According to boxrec, Duran's career started at 118. Try again.

    Hey, 1 out of 3 ain't bad!

    Well, it does help that Floyd is undoubtedly still in his prime at 147. And that some of the weight classes that Floyd has fought at have limits set closer together than the higher weight categories. For example, going from 130 to 140 (10 pounds) covers 3 weight classes, while you need to add almost as much to move up a single weight class at other times. 147-154 or 160-168, for example.

    Also, for the record, between the fact that Classic has debated match-ups between Duran and ATGs at 147 or 154, and that Leonard won a title from a middleweight at 160 and Hearns from a very solid light heavyweight champion in Virgil Hill, I think your point is kinda lost.
     
  6. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great points,people are always comparing a 147 to what we saw these guys do at heavier weights...Also fighters from other eras are catapulted to these grand heights that no one dare even compare them to a modern era fighter
     
  7. strongarm

    strongarm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A better comparison would be anyone who floyd has faced, that were in their prime, against any of the fab four. No contest in quality of opposition...
     
  8. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    would have been a great test for floyd i agree, floyd called them both out and they both wanted nothing to do with him (shane even made up some tooth ache excuse)
     
  9. dannyc1990

    dannyc1990 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    @the wanderer - good points. but floyd's still in his prime? I'd say he's a good few years past his prime tbh.. I mean, if were being honest he's never looked anything like the fighter he was at 130-135 (mainly because he throws alot less combos).

    Floyd always take the blame for ducking lol end of the day pacman said no twice, not floyd & the others, i mean arum didnt let floyd fight cotto because floyd was leaving.. the others didn't want to fight him because he offered nothing but a tricky fighter to beat + hardly any money. Kinda like rigo right now.
     
  10. Imperial1

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    ^ this
     
  11. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    your attempt to divert attention away from their accomplishments is futile.

    duran fought hagler and barkley at 160. he beat barkley and gave a respectable performance against hagler.

    clearly...duran is the only one that matters in this argument. he fought and beat barkley in '89. floyd was an amateur when that happened. it's an accomplishment from his life time.

    is floyd better than duran?

    is martinez, ggg, quillin or barker on haglers level? i don't think so.

    i'd put martinez and ggg on barkleys level.

    i'd like to see floyd attempt to win a title at 160.

    it's floyd calling himself TGE. if he wants to be in the conversation he needs an accomplishment that will set him apart or even on the same level as duran imo.
     
  12. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    how is that a better comparison? Thats definitely not right

    Everyone says one of two things. 1 - how does floyd match up vs hagler/hearns/duran/leonard or 2 - how does floyds comp match up vs hagler/hearns/duran/leonard.


    so whats wrong with me asking how those 4 would do against a prime roy jones at 160 or 168 ? how's that any different.
     
  13. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    duran is the only one i really respect like that... his accomlishments are the most impressive IMO... he may have been on growth enhancements tho. he went all the way up to 168 which is ridiculous
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Duran only growth hormone was food and alcohol he had plenty of both, as he use to gain as much as 50lb between fights. He was over weight at 160 and fought on skill alone, since Barkley had him in the reach, height, youth, strength and power department. I would invite you to at least watch the fight before making unfounded accusations. It was a hell of a clinic.
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think both SRL and especially Hearns would beat Calzaghe, those slapping punching aren't going to stop either, and if Calzaghe gets hit with Hearns best punch he's going down.

    Hopkins is a tough call, and Jones would likely beat both of them.