Questions for Burt: Legends vs. the 90's

It read as though his viewing of Vingo and the sparring session he witnessed was partially why he felt Marciano would do well in the latter periods. I'm sure that's not the whole of it but that's what it looked liked.

 

Don't be ridiculous. Please tell us-- what would a reasonable, open-minded person have learned from his romantic reminiscing about Carmine Vigo?

 

Well, everything we see and know of a fighter must contribute to how we assess their chances in other eras, etc. So, yes, that's true.

 

Be honest. You only feel this way because his thoughts confirm what you wanted to hear, which is why you started a thread soliciting them in the first place.

 

Wow! You're so lucky to have been able to see so many all time greats. What I wouldn't give to see even half of the fighters you've seen!

 

No.. I'm insinuating that it needs to be proven by having a better record than one that's filled with about dozen guys with losing records. Maybe Vingo was good for a guy who turned pro so young. But beating a nineteen year old and one who faced the kind of opposition he did doesn't prove anything.

Actually he isn't. He's a world champion and a man who's been near the top of the game for a while.. This isn't a "prospect"

Post some footage of Vingo and I'll try and form my opinion that way then. as of right now all we have is a piece of paper that looks very limited, not very impressive, and the testimony of a guy who saw him fight 70 years ago in a loud crowded place and who in all honesty is probably partial in certain directions.. Hell I've sat down and rewatched fights that I only saw TEN years earlier and have changed my opinions..

 

I thought a "good prospect" was often - or usually - a fighter who had not yet proven themselves against contenders or even fringe contenders.

Good prospect is usually a young fighter who appears to have talent and potential and is being groomed for success.

Once a prospect starts beating ranked or near-ranked men he's a contender rather than simply a "prospect".

That's how I've always used the term anyway.

 

And I sadly lose respect for people and their opinions in GENERAL when they get upset about someone voicing their views or asking questions which might conflict with someone's experiences.

 

As have I.. But you don't necessarily have to go from fighting men who are 0-20 to fighting guys who are 20-0 to prove that.. There is an in between.

 

Why is it a goofy rant, I am just a bit tired of hearing people run down real pro boxers safe at home and pointing out it is one thing to call guys tomato cans here but how many of us would say this to a living breathing heavyweight pro ????... I can't think of anything I really have against Magoo but he is attacking old Burt whose experience in seeing great fighters....... Magoo attacks the memory of Carmine Vingo after Burt CLEARLY states that Vingo almost died from fighting Marciano.... and that is the BIG CLUE as to why Vingo faded after it... just how many boxers do you think go on to become GREAT fighters after nearly dying in hospital ???? not many Kevein, get real mate. Trust me when I do finally do a RANT you will know the difference. The Magoo cartoon I posted earlier was for levity which place sorely needs and to point out that our Mr Magoo clearly didn't see something.

 

And nor should you ignore them. Its fine to listen to people who were around to witness various events unfold. But you should also be open to listening to both sides of the argument.. Just to let you in on a little secret, I've watched plenty of Marciano footage AND that of modern day fighters.. And the best part is that my viewings are not 70 years removed.. My opinion may not count for much but i DO have one as do we all..