Questions for my New All Time Heavyweight List(Soon to be out)

Sounds good. Interested to see where you place McVea/Klit bros

 

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"Irish" Jerry Quarry. Always coming back, always some redemption. A lot of times he had the misfortune of losing due to a cut or having his big chance when he was past it. But he showed redemption, he showed come-backs and solid wins over many great fighters of many vastly different styles (And tons of different styles). The punchers, the boxers... you name it and Quarry probably fought it and probably shut it down or nuetralized. Just a top-notch counter-puncher. Apparently a man that schooled Foreman in sparring to the point of Foreman ducking him in the ring. Quarry had the misfortune of cuts, or maybe alcoholism and depression... or maybe the real misfortune of fighting in probably the greatest era of HW boxing. An era which included juggernauts like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Foreman, apparently wanted nothing to do with him. And when he was past it he started losing and slowing down. Norton beat him quickly but we all know that Quarry was having terrible trouble in his personal life. His record, resume, skills, abilities, and versatility as a fighter;and the versatility within the opponents he fought proved what Quarry was a man and a fighter. We can talk about how he fell short time and time again... but we can't dismiss his achievements. He got cut against Ali in 1970, and got broken down over 9 round war in a telephone booth fight against Frazier. A great ring classic with Quarry probably fighting an absolute awful fight tactically. Still a legend... and dare I say a great Heavyweight, and possibly an underrated one too.

Notable Wins: Brian London (2x), Floyd Patterson, Mac Foster, Lyle, Shavers, Middleton, Zanon

 

Question... do you take LHW resume into account or previous achievements like that? Just wondering....

As for Quarry. I sort of wrote that up sentimentally... I think he should get good credit for beating dangerous fighters that were undefeated. By shutting down the punchers like Lyle, Foster, Shavers, etc. He was really the first won to do so and if we give Holmes or Ali credit for it than we should give Quarry... the first man to take those challengers in order to get to the top.

 

Thanks Suzie, I tried. Almost in a sense taking it on as a challenge. I do think Quarry is a little underrated and doesn't get quite the credit for the wins over guys that trouble Ali and Foreman. And being the first to take those dangerous contenders. No idea where I would place him on a top 35 list. Just wanted to try making a good account for him.

 

I believe you should replace Vitali Klitschko with Nikolay Valuev. Then consider Valuev for the top spot.

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Hm, did I just not see him or did Harold Johnson miss out? I think he has a case for beeing there.

Schmeling:
Louis I - masterpiece, highlights all of Schmelings qualities
Baer - close fight up to the stoppage, watch it carefully, Schmeling has Baer nearly going once. IMO this fight despite Schmeling losing solidifys his greatness. But he´s my idol so ....
Walker - keep in mind Walker wasn´t just a mw moving up but held Sharkey to a draw before and should perhps got the nick. At the time this was seen as the number one and two hws fighting regardless of Sharkey beeing champ.
Stribling
Louis II - keep the circumstances surrounding the fight in mind
Sharkey II - to see for yourself that he won that fight.
Sharkey I - to see the low blow was a low blow and no acting job.

Patterson:
Johannson II - Patterson beeing bad at leas once in his career
London - don´t need to say much about it, was enough discussed in the recent thread
Ali I-II - losing to the greatest but giving his best and showing great ability in both losing performances, more in the second one though despite beeing the last fight of his career.
Liston I-II - to make you feel pity for him and show his braveness. Getting into the ring with Liston after beeing massacred in one round is one of the bravest thing in boxing history IMO.
Moore - his masterpiece
Bonavena - to see him deal with a bigger, stronger, tough but skilled fighter who could bang a bit, despite beeing old
Chuvalo - to see him deal with a bigger, stronger, tough but skilled fighter who could bang a bit, to prove you need more than strength, size and power to beat him.

I didn´t look it up but should be all on youtube.


Looking forward to it. Doubt it will be your final list though

 

How are you going to find the positioning of the guys with no footage. I am always intrested to see where they get ranked and how people rank them.

 

Resume, newspaper reports, articles of the time by people who have seen them. You can get a great indication what they are about this way. Isn´t the same as seeing them though.

 

There are some rounds out there showing a 35 year old Jeanette against Carpentier in 1914, not sure about either Norton,Quarry or Witherspoon being in here,anyway good luck Suzie.:good

 

Bodhi, I dont think Johnson can make it in a Heavyweight list IMO.

 

I haven´t compared them but on first glance I think he is on par with Quarry, I´m open for getting schooled though.

 

Just dont think their is enough substance on the list he has brilliant wins in Valdez, Satterfield, Charles and Machen, but he does not have much past that IMO, when you consider this with a guy who has boxed his whole career at Heavyweight he picks up more depth in his resume.

I could see how he could get into a top 35 but personally I dont think there is too much depth in it, but saying that he dosent really have any losses at Heavyweight.

 

Well, he is 42 (17KOs) - 4 (3KOs) at fights where at least one fighter was above 175 pounds (I ignored half pounds and such). That´s a full career. Including wins over Arturo Godoy, Jimmy Bivins, Archie Moore, Clarance Henry, Bob Satterfield 2 times, Nino Valdes, Ezzard Charles, Wayne Bethea, Eddie Machen. That´s not deep?
Compare that to Riddick Bowe who is 43 (33KOs)-1. He has not much more depth.