Questions on Kovalev Ward

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Grinder, Nov 22, 2016.


  1. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Please answer these questions if you watched the Kovalev Ward fight:
    1. Who was the aggresor during the fight?
    2. Who did the most overall damage (use the faces of the fighters at the conclusion if you want, try to justify)?
    3. How many close rounds did you score for Ward?
    4. How many close rounds did you score for Kovalev?
    5. Who instigated most of the clinches?
    6. Do punches in while holding count?
    7. Do punches hitting off the break count?
    8. What counts more, generally speakinh, a powershot or a jab?
    9. Who threw the most punches in the fight?
    10. What was your score for the fight?
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    So you're pretty much saying Ward couldn't have won this fight?:elboinas:
     
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  3. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    11. Who had the best shorts?
     
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  4. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    12. Why does Kovalev put his brand on his gloves? That K looks stupid makes his gloves look like a Kmart brand.
     
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  5. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Who has a better haircut out of Ward and Kovalev? Kovalev keeps his simple but looks sharp, Wards is a bit slicker and trendier IMO.
     
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  6. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    13. Who's eyebrows was more 'on fleek'?
     
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  7. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    14. Who had the better kicks in the fight?
     
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  8. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    15. Were they American judges?
    16. Was Ward surprised of the result?
    17. Should we give 10 points for a knockdown?

    Come on man, you can come up with more questions that lead to the answer you want.
     
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  9. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Ward. I love the Jordan brand looks slick as hell.
     
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  10. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    As far as punch count I want to ask this. I believe the final punch stats were 116 (Ward) to 126 (Kov). My point being that do you guys think punchstats is a viable point to make if you threw 140 more punches just to outland your opponent by just 10 punches? Kov threw 474 to wards 337 mind you. IMO the punchstats argument goes to Ward. What's also deceiving is Kovs landed mostly in the first half of the fight.
     
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  11. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Good question. I'd like to see one of the guys who claim robbery come in here and explain that. Ward was the more accurate fighter through 12 rounds, wasn't he?
     
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  12. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Accuracy is very deceiving and must be placed into context with volume.
    If fighter A. Throws 3 punches a round and lands 2 of them he has an accuracy of 66 percent.
    Fighter B. Throws 10 punches a round and lands 4. His accuracy is only 40 percent but over the course of 12 rounds he lands 24 more punches.
    Ward's punch out put was dramatically lower from previous fights a testament of not wanting to engage with Kovalev.
    Add in Kovalev hurt Ward multiple times and was himself never remotely hurt its clear Kovalev's punchers had far greater merit than Ward's and then add in he landed more of them.
    Ward could not box with Kovalev and could not survive on the outside he basically got swept in the first six rounds.
    He then employed a grab and wrestle survival style that worked marginally better for him but did not do enough for the win in most observers eyes.
    Rounds 8,9,11,12 were all close rounds that the judges almost unanimously save for one judge in round 12 whose card was already decided gave those rounds to Ward.
    Add in that Kovalev clearly won the 10th and yet was shut out for it and it's pretty clear that as long as Kovalev didn't absolutely dominate the round the judges were going to put the fight in the bag for Ward.
     
  13. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Interesting. I can respect that, but Kovalev threw 137 more punches and only landed 10 more punches according to compubox. That points to good defense and ring generalship which is one of the main criterias in scoring a fight. Throwing 137 more shots and only landing 10 more shots than your opponent is a huge disparity, And That's Through 12 COMPLETE rounds.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What's more impressive three pinpoint accurate BB's to the head, or 7 or 8 grazing hollow point bullets to the head?
     
  15. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    If I had a punch counter I'd do the CompuBox my self. But if Harder shots should always win, why were Calzaghe, Malignaggi and Mayweather so successful? The harder puncher doesn't always win the fight, skills win fights.
     
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