Questions on Kovalev Ward

I mean Chavez Sr. Was throwing 38. Caliber bullets, while sweet pea was throwing 22.'s and won the fight imo. That just shows skills pay bills.

 

You would score Chavez over whitaker? The harder puncher over the light punching boxer?

 

Going into the fight I believe most people felt Ward had the better defense, that is not surprising but ring generalship is a vague term and can be used in a myriad of ways to support or tear down someone's argument. I think Kovalev throwing 137 more punches was his version of ring generalship bossing the fight. He knew Ward could not hurt him and he stalked him throwing a higher volume of shots.
Usually the better defensive fighter does not get Outlanded. Does Mayweather get out landed or Whitaker? Usually never but here it happened and not only did it happen but the guy landing the blows clearly landed the punches of more substance. Hurtful blows compared to Ward's light jabs and occasional body work.
I've made my points on several threads not trying to hate on Ward I like Ward and he impressed tremendously he is very tough. I just believe the judges got the score very wrong for whatever reason. And I dislike that it happens in a big event that can draw casuals into the sport and help it thrive. Case in point I had 6 friends join me for the fight none as involved in the sport as I am, and they all believed Kovalev won. When the result was announced they were all like well that's boxing for you. Re-affirming that the sport is not on the level in their minds and none of them will probably become more interested in the fight.
If you're a Ward fan you still like him but results like this don't make new fans

 

I think making a fighter miss 137 shots is more impressive than a guy going foward missing those 137 shots. That's ineffective aggression. Effective aggression is a criteria you use to judge fights. Though it is judged by a round by round basis, and may look different to the eye, the CompuBox numbers give a better indication how the fight actually went imo.

You know everybody has an opinion on who they thought won the fight, but the judges are the ones who score the fight and this fight was hell of close. But I agree with the judges, I think they got it right.

 

Well I would say knocking your opponent down and hurting him on at least 3 other occasions and Outlanding him IS effective aggression no matter how many times he missed. You feel Ward won that is fine you are not alone but you are in the minority. Most people fans, experts and those in the arena felt Kovalev deserved it. I watched the fight twice and I can't find 7 rounds to give Ward. But as you say everyone is entitled to their opinion. I agree to disagree on the winner but it was a good fight and fairly competitive. Cheers

 

This one is going to be talked about for a long time, just as Leonard-Hagler is to this day!

 

IDK man, accuracy is great and yeah, throwing more punches is going to tire you out faster but, if that slows you down later you'll be penalised for it when it happens. For me if you land more punches, all other things being equal (such as power behind the punches or damage done), then you're winning. I always found Compuboxes' +/- ratings quite amusing cos it was quite possible in theory for a fighter to come out with a huge positive rating by throwing 2 punches a round as long as they both landed and appear to be doing better than a guy who landed say 20 of 80. OK in this case the punchstats were so close and subject to enough error that they are almost equal, but if you are going to use them the fact is they were dead level in rounds won per compubox - 6 apiece.

 

1. Kovalev
2. Kovalev
3. Rounds 3 and 5 for ward.
4. Round 12 for Kovalev.
5. Not sure what relevance this is, you neither gain nor lose points for clinches.
6. Yes, if you can free your hand. You fight until told to break and defend yourself at all times
7. After the break count yes - during break no.
8. Generally powershot, that being said those jabs kovalev almost floored ward - there is a grey area, some jabs are weak distance-makers and others are more vicious.
9. I didn't count the total punches, but once again this isn't strictly relevant to scoring. What's better, throwing a punch and missing vs avoiding a thrown punch
10. 114-113 Kovalev winning although I thought 114-113 ward was fair too.

 

Calzaghe was superb at little almost-slap like punches getting points. I am a fan of Calzaghe although he was a little "boring". Mayweather is similar but better. I have never seen Mayweather truly caught flush. I really can't stand Mayweather mind.

 

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Good dancing skills from Floyd here. Maidana looks back at Floyd knowing he's hurt him... bad.

 

115/112
Kovalev

 

Must admit, he took that like a champ.
Look what that same style shot did to pac, almost killed him

 

18: Who officially won and got the belts?

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People can debate this fight until the end of time, Ward got the decision and subsequently the belts and ultimately that's all what matters, no amount of forum threads will change this LOL, The rematch will be even better and hopefully put all of this to rest, It was great fight to watch and we are getting a rematch out of it that will be even bigger its a win win.