Quintana's win over Williams is NOT a massive upset...

good but not great....people had expected great things of williams so you'd have expected him to deliver the good....hopkins and calzaghe made 20 defenses look easy....we can clearly see now that it isn't....contenders and challengers are hungry and not always bums as people like to say on this forum

 

**** lets face it ...everyone is a bum according to ESB :rofl .....its sooooooo easy to write someones record off

 

its probrably going to be upset of the year unless alfonso does a job on miguel:hey

 

quintanas not a floyd but def a good slick boxer, i think if he can work on his stamina issues he can compete at a higher level.

 

it is for me. i never saw him beating pw

 

The Williams love was excessive and unwarranted.

Everything said about him in recent months was based on what he could and should be able to accomplish with his natural gifts, but had yet to manifest in demonstrable in-ring execution.

He was/is a prospect, no different than 99% of people agreed he was sixteen months ago. Old Sharmba/chinny Pakau/overhyped Margarito is not enough of an educational and enriching experience against enough quality opposition to shed the "prospect" prefix. You can say he's a good prospect, and you can say that with a little tweaking here and there he could be a very good welterweight, but that is not what has been said about him.

"Top three welter", or worse yet, "the uncrowned MAN at 147" were such premature and unfounded projections as to not dignify a response, yet were very common around here the last year or so. :-(

 

man you are stupid....I do not know one person who called quintana to beat williams he was -900...that is a massive upset

 

he is on a pretty high level right now having a world title and taking the 9 away from julio decisively...the guy is good, I would like to see him fight berto soon

 

I said Quintana would beat Williams.

And who are you calling stupid? You forget any 'r's?

 

I think the point is that the oddsmakers and everyone else who bought the HBO hype was stupid to have him as such a heavy favorite. Plenty of people did say "Nope, Williams is still unproven" after the Margarito win, just like plenty of people said Quintana was still very good after the Cotto loss. To claim nobody said either of those things, and that there wasn't overlap between them, is either ignorance or selective memory. :good

 

What is Williams natural gifts? Because he certianly didn't show any that night. Lets face it Williams still fights amatuerish, it's probably because he didn't have a long amatuer career. Why don't some people face the facts that he isn't highly skilled in the first place. In order to be considerded part of the elite you have to be highly skilled and I'm not even talking about on the level of Floyd Mayweather Jr. Williams so far has proven that he has average skills, he has no jab, no defense, how can somebody hype a fighter and not realize these faults? And some of these people know more about boxing than I do, and I saw that in Williams.

 

They are just even in terms of skills . . . Williams is just more HYPED than Quintana . . . and Quintana was able to neutralize Williams' big physical advantage . . . that's why some view it as an upset.

 

Quintana fought a pretty good fight.
He did alot of godd things which I dont need to mention.
The suprise is how poorly Williams fought.
Here is a real big guy with all that reach --- and all nite long he comes straight forward leading with his face.
He was there to get hit over and over and was very fortunate that he didnt get KO'd.
Champions arent suppose to be that stupid.

 

I figured Williams would win, but I wouldn't call this a GIANT upset. Quintana can box well.