Quit with the Mayweather is P4P#1 BS

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Beouche, Apr 5, 2015.


  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,271
    38,046
    Aug 28, 2012
    If he beat Froch, Groves, DeGale, or Dirrell in impressive fashion and showed he hadn't lost a step, he should be back in the mix the same as Floyd was beating a much smaller Marquez after his layoff in 2009. Ring put Floyd back at #2 for that.

    As far as Rodriguez goes, he's probably no worse than Victor Ortiz, Guerrero, or Berto. He was ranked #8 or #10 or something at super middle when Ward fought him. Now he's ranked #13 (boxrec) at cruiserweight. It's also the impressive way that Ward handled his opponent that doesn't make the victory meaningless.
     
  2. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

    12,523
    33
    May 24, 2012
    What a stupid thread
     
  3. box4life11

    box4life11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,614
    18
    Apr 5, 2009

    Lol
     
  4. box4life11

    box4life11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,614
    18
    Apr 5, 2009
    Some peeps tend to forget Mayweather lost his first fight to Castillo and almost lost to C level Maidana in there first fight and yall say he's p4p lol



    Meanwhile sergey has fought and dominated Hopkins one of the best defensive fighters alive and B+ level Pascal in less than a year
     
  5. box4life11

    box4life11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,614
    18
    Apr 5, 2009
    p4P 1 don't have hard fights with Maidana fact
     
  6. box4life11

    box4life11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,614
    18
    Apr 5, 2009
    Wlad
    Kovalev
    Rigo
    GGG
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,271
    38,046
    Aug 28, 2012
    Hopkins moves from one corpse division to another bypassing all the hardest challengers. He hid from Jones, Toney, and Calzaghe at middleweight, then moved to light-heavyweight as soon as that division emptied out and super middle heated up. Father time finally caught up with that old man and he ran into a real opponent named Sergey Kovalev. The miracle is that he didn't break a hip running from Kovalev all night. Beating Hopkins fifteen years ago was an accomplishment. Now, it should just be a given.
     
  8. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    20,253
    2,301
    Jan 4, 2005
    Mayweather just completely shutout Canelo and Pac just very convincingly beat a p4p #3 in Bradley very recent. Again, either of those wins are much better than what Golovkin has ever done. In fact, Golovkin wont even go up 1 division to fight current p4p #3 Andre Ward, Pac just beat p4p #3 on his 10th weight division as World Champion.
     
  9. box4life11

    box4life11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,614
    18
    Apr 5, 2009

    Bernard is still very very good defensively even Kovalev said that and he don't strike me as a guy that lies
     
  10. finalfight

    finalfight Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,706
    1
    Dec 5, 2008
    Khan top five? Khan belongs nowhere near any P4P list.
     
  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,271
    38,046
    Aug 28, 2012
    I'll give Mayweather credit for his win against Canelo. That was one of if not actually his best win ever. But maybe we were just overestimating Canelo. Or maybe Mayweather only really started showing his age against Maidana. I really can't see 2007 Mayweather having any difficulty against a fighter of Maidana's caliber.

    Only a fool would place Bradley at #3. I have him in my top 20, but he doesn't belong in the top 10. He's good, not great, and he was better at 140. The only people who put him that high are the one's who don't watch his fights and see he was gifted a series of robberies by incompetent women judges.
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,271
    38,046
    Aug 28, 2012
    It doesn't matter if his technique is perfect. He doesn't have the physical tools to execute anymore. That's why Chad Dawson made a meal out of him.
     
  13. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

    23,723
    4,043
    Oct 13, 2010
    Here's another thing


    Floyd and Manny

    GGG and Rigo

    Two pairs of fighters with diametrically opposing situations


    EVERYONE wants to fight the first two
    They've continually taken the easiest challengers, and made at times completely debilitating demands on their opponents

    NO ONE wants to fight the second two
    Constantly ducked
    They've made no such debilitating demands, and therefore as such always fight the best version of whoever they fight


    This is a massive factor that seems at times to get completely overlooked when discussing P4P
     
  14. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

    9,183
    664
    Jan 6, 2011
    Klitschko fights a string of undefeated, top 3 rated fighters, such as olympic gold champ and wba champ Povetkin, undefeated highly rated Pulev, and now fighting undefeated top rated Jennings - DSG says "Klit hasn't fought anyone decent in a while"
     
  15. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

    9,183
    664
    Jan 6, 2011
    Pascal is A level. Lets not hate on him just because he lost to Sergei