Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Twentyman, Nov 29, 2020.

  1. Jurgen

    Jurgen Pay Per Pudding Advisor Full Member

    Sep 30, 2016
    Amazing how that short jab done so much damage but it landed all the time and DDD done nothing to avoid it.
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  2. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    He is not a fighter. Not a natural one anyway. He hasn't got the instincts or reflexes or ( don't laugh) intelligence. He didn't adapt and didn't employ even the most fundamental rudamentary evasion or blocking techniques.
    I dont know what can be done to fix his shortcomings.
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  3. Work the body

    Work the body Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 5, 2015
    So turns out Dubois had fractured his eye socket and could very well have went blind in one eye had he carried on. Seems like a smart boy for ‘quitting’ to me.
  4. Sap1en

    Sap1en Member Full Member

    Dec 1, 2020
    Dubois honestly isn't a 12 round fighter. Hasn't got the gas to rely on his power for that length and hasn't got the defensive ability to keep his foot off the gas. He's in a no-mans land that only experience can help him overcome. The kid needs 4-12 more cans with his corner to ask him to go the distance to understand the limitations of his genetics.
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  5. ama16

    ama16 New Member Full Member

    Dec 5, 2020
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 22, 2006
    The bloke is a pup, if he can psychology and physically recover from this nasty injury, there is no reason he cannot come back stronger. And as he gains experience, again there is no reason why he cannot go 12 rounds when needed.

    Hunches and evidence are two different things.
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  7. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    And the source for this stunning fact is? Let me guess the DDD Public Relations spin doctor, right? The eye didn't look that bad to me. Bottom line is, he might be 'smart' about his own health and safety but to make it as a boxer one of the things you need is a bit of a reckless disregard for your own safety. Either way, when things got tough, he quit. That's just the way it is. He can still overwhelm opponents with his power and enjoy success. I'd still rather watch him than Joyce any day. But his mental and physical resilience us questionable. We know it, and more importantly, future opponents will know it. What happens then?
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  8. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 24, 2005
    Qutting will become the norm soon.
    That seems to be where the enlightened people think boxing should be heading.
  9. Work the body

    Work the body Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 5, 2015
    All the people calling him a quitter have probably never experienced the injury themselves so are in no position to say. David Haye said it last night he’d never experienced an injury like that and I believe he actually apologised for his comments. And I disagree. To make it as a boxer you don’t have to risk life altering injuries. I would rather retire. It’s a sport ffs. I don’t see how you can comment on his mental and physical resilience? Have you suffered a similar injury yourself? Do you know what it feels like? Do you know how the mental pressure feels to be in a situation where you could potentially lose your sight? I would argue that Dubois was resilient because he continued the fight when his eye was busted up pretty early. It’s too easy for people to sit on an Internet forum and call someone a quitter. No amount of money and back slapping is worth losing your vision for. I respect because he looked out for himself and didn’t give a **** what anyone thought about it.
  10. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Rangers FC Full Member

    May 25, 2015
    Most people here would quit attempting 3k on a treadmill yet will lay into a fighter who has millions to earn in the future providing his eye is on good health.
  11. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 24, 2005
    But it's the reasonable suspicion that Dubois quitting was not just due to some concern or pain about injury to the eye.
    Based on everything that happened and was said during the fight, based on what Dubois said in the post-fight interview.
    His corner were concerned about his composure and his heart VERY EARLY ON in the fight.
    He seemed to concede immediately after the fight that he was gassed, and it look like mental exhaustion more than anything.

    People are ignoring all this and saying "broken orbital" = "he quit to save his vision and his career" .
    Yeah, smart move. Because Dubois is really smart and he expressed all of that very succinctly after the fight, right.

    I'm not laying into Dubois.
    Just saying how most of us saw it.
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  12. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    The corner appeared to be really Molly coddling him from very early on in the fight. They know him best and they were worried. Kanye the time I've seen fighters with severe injury pleading with the corner NOT to stop a fight. DDDs corner appeared to be pleading with him not to quit!
    As you say, that's just how it looked, sorry.
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  13. TheDank

    TheDank New Member Full Member

    Nov 21, 2020
    A true warrior like Dillian Whyte would never throw it in.

    Give that guy and his dogs the shot and share his fukin pie
  14. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

    Apr 11, 2010
    You have to be fair and don't cherry pick.

    If you are going to give one fighter the benefit of the doubt for quitting, then you must give all fighters the benefit of the doubt.

    Warriors never quit though tbf, not in their DNA. Normal folks quit though
  15. N17

    N17 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 16, 2013

    No, you're wrong.. the vast majority of "normal folks" don't quit, quite the opposite actually.

    People every day of the week go through extraordinary tough times and get their backsides out of bed every morning and go to work, do a fantastic job looking after and raising their children, live with illnesses and mental illnesses, recover from broken relationships and rebuild their lives and many other things and constantly try to improve themselves and make their lives and their loved one lives better.

    This idea fighters are "special" and they are "warriors" and us "normal folk" don't understand facing adversity, pain or struggle or can't understand what it's like to be mentally strong is absolute cobblers.

    There is a referee in the ring to stop the fight, a corner to stop the fight and as last resort you can take a knee and pretend to be hurt as a fighter.. there are many ways out

    Where are the ways out for "normal people"? Where's the referee, corner or the option to take a knee and sit it out when things are really really tough, unbelievably tough?

    There isnt one is there.. so don't underestimate "normal people", their struggles and the lives they live daily and stick fighters on pedestals and have unrealistic fantasies that they are all warriors that us mere mortals couldn't possibly understand or compete with.
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