Quotes about Wilder from prominent trainers and sparring partners

Why not? He sent Szpilka out on a stretcher and on a long layoff, having taken considerably less damage than Jennings took against Szpilka. Even scorecard wise Wilder was way ahead. If you think Szpilka came remotely close to beating Wilder then you don't know what you're watching or what made Wilder so hard to beat.

 

Stiverne 1 (3rd) Ortiz 1 (5th) Fury 1 (7th) Ortiz 2 (6th) Fury 2 (1st) Fury 3 (1st)

Ortiz beat Jennings much better than Joyce, Scott much better than Chisora, Thompson much better than Pulev or Takam, Cojanu much better than Parker and Allen much better than Whyte. He always fought on the road, never had a disputed decision (MD/SD) KO'd the overwhelming majority of his opponents and only lost to a historically long-reigning champion who he won 9 of the 15 completed rounds against across two fights on the official cards.

 

People don't dislike Wilder for the reasons they give because they love (or at least don't vehemently attack) fighters who have done the same things, Mike Tyson being the best example. It's not about the situation with the hooker or the drug charge or the "catch a body" comments or the excuses or the denigrating past fighters etc.

It has more to do with factors like:

1. Wilder's LDBC fanbase, who rub a lot of people up the wrong way
2. This is a disproportionately British forum and Wilder has been a major thorn in the side of British HW domination
3. Bias against modern fighters in general, so they especially resent Wilder's historically long-reign and KO records
4. Bias against Fury (Wilder must be a bum because he lost to him lol)
5. The bias for conventional skill over unconventionality and physicality
6. Failure to understand Wilder's game
7. Overcompensating for prominent rival AJ's embarrassing losses to wide underdogs
8. The subconscious awareness that a fighter with Wilder's attributes could very well KO their favourite fighter, especially if he's chinny
9. Propaganda from heavily partisan channels like "NordicWarrior" and "HatmanStrikesBack"

And so on.

 

It's hilarious that there can only be one Wilder apologist on this forum lol, no doubt with about 15 alts.

 

I omitted Haye's quote on Wilder's power because I don't trust Haye on the subject of power. Haye claimed that Bellew hit harder than Wlad in the run up to the Usyk fight, which was damning for his credibility in that regard.

Even including Haye's comment on Wilder's durability is a bit questionable but I've seen similar quotes from him over extended periods and I don't think he fetishises durability as much as power. It also stacks up with what little sparring footage he released from that camp.

Haye is racially partisan so that's an incentive to play up Wilder's power but there's also the angle that Wilder is like a much taller and rangier Haye in style.

 

Yawn

 

Sanchez said in either that interview or a similar one that Ruiz is skilled and Ortiz would be a much better fight for Ruiz, so he wasn't calling Andy a bum by any means. Even Andy's current trainer(?) Reynoso conceded that Wilder is a "dangerous fight".

 

Three fights against the best heavyweight in the world is three separate fights, not one fight. It counts for far more in legacy terms than fighting three fringe contenders (say Whyte, Ruiz, Parker) one time apiece. Fighting Ali three times is worth a lot more than fighting three generic top 10 70's guys who no one today cares about.

"Notable win"

You've got no clear definition. Once you claimed that Wach was a "notable win" on Whyte's record but this would make pretty much all of Wilder's defences "notable wins".

You don't make any distinction between an MD/SD and a win by KO, which is an obvious weakness. You don't make distinctions between wins on the road and wins at home.

You assume that PBC fighters are ducking Matchroom fighters but not the other way around, when in reality ducking is endemic in boxing and by implicitly denying this you reveal yourself to be a partisan Matchroom shill.

If Wilder KO's a fighter and the fighter takes a dive soon after or years later a former opponent is badly diminished and gets KO'd in a round or two by a fringe contender or a former opponent takes a fight on a day's notice and performs poorly it has no bearing on anything. Neither Jennings, Allen or Cojanu were compromised prior to or after their KO losses to Ortiz as proven by subsequent performances. Scott and Thompson retired after their losses to Ortiz so it's impossible to form definite conclusions there but Ortiz still beat them better than anyone had before with the exceptions of Wilder (Scott dived, like Martin and Molina vs AJ) and Wlad (Thompson 2).