R.A.The Rugged Man on Pac vs Clottey

I guess you haven't watched his fights against Winky.

 

this.. :good

 

Yes, his fights against a natural 154 pound southpaw with a fantastic jab are wholly relevant. Winky was bigger, stronger, had a reach advantage, a better jab, and was a better fighter on the inside. And he STILL didn't just stand directly in front of Shane and let him swing for the fences. He slipped and parried, turned Shane, initiated the exchanges, and counterpunched when Shane got busy.

That's a far cry from "arms up and let them swing away". And even if it wasn't Clottey doesn't have anything like the physical advantages that Wright did.

 

What does winning a big fight have to do with skillset and potential at a certain point in someone's career ?

The DeLa Hoya of 1999 would surely school Clottey..I have no doubt, but facing today's Clottey is tougher than facing the faded version of De La Hoya from 2007 and on as far as I'm concerned.

Big fights don't define a fighter's talent and strengths...

If mayweather wouldn't have ever had a big fight in his life up to now, he'd still be the best talent in the business today.

 

I was being glib. Clottey has one good win. That is Judah. It's not even a great win. It's merely a good win, the same as it is for Mayweather. That is NOT the resume that makes for a compelling fight against the #1 P4P guy in the sport.

People need to quit trying to hype Clottey based on his ability to beat merely good fighters and lose to very good fighters. Floyd has a terrible resume at 147 and even his is better than Clottey's since he at least managed to not get DQed against Baldomir.

 

De La Hoya in 2007, at 154, was a better fighter than Clottey is now.

 

A matter of opinions...

 

De La Hoya was a title holder at that time. 154 was his natural weight at that time and he had just destroyed Mayorga, a man who had just went 12 hard competitive rounds with Mosley. De la hoya at 154 when he fought Mayweather is > Clottey.

 

if by "just destroyed" you mean "inactive for a year" then yea, De La Hoya had just destroyed Mayorga, after just getting KTFO by Hopkins and just getting taken to school by Felix Sturm

 

Clottey may not have the same size advantage that Winky did but would none the less enjoy an advantage in the size department. Combined with his propensity to defend first and Mosley's tendency the stand and fight, I envision Clottey countering his way to a decision on the cards.

 

yea they do....u cant keep losing ur big fights....your talent and strength help u win big fights if u keep losing ur big fights then obviously ur not that good....right?

 

Don't know, it kinda evens out when you compare their entire resume. Maybe a slight advantage for Pac but they are not worlds apart.

-Mosley is a tougher fight than Clottey
-Ricky Hatton was a tougher fight than the version Pac had
-Prime Castillo was a tougher fight than a weight drained, somewhat weathered Morales
-DLH was a tougher fight than the version Pac had
-Lightly drained, broken Cotto is just about even with a prime Corrales
-Last year's version of JMM is just about even with Pac's rematch with a slow, aging Barrera

 

Yes and 160 was a lot that his body grew in. He should've never been at 160, 154 De la Hoya actually looked good at.

C'mon bro. I am not hater of pac nor am I nuthugger of Mayweather. Are you seriously suggesting that at 154, the Oscar that fought Mayweather is worst than Cottey????

 

What are you basing this mythical size advantage on? Winky was a couple of inches taller, and was a natural 154 pounder that had fought at that weight his whole career. Clottey is Shane's height or shorter and has been at 147 for the majority of his career and for all of his major fights. Shane and Clottey are basically the same size.

 

Oscar at that point was a part-time fighter. A consistantly inactive fighter with poor training habits who by his trainer's own admission couldn't pull the trigger or cut off the ring.

160 is 6 pounds north of 154 and Oscar got outboxed by Felix Sturm of all people. And that was years before he fought Mayweather. I'm very confident Clottey would have beaten Oscar who IMO was no longer an elite fighter from 2004 on. I was surprised that Oscar fought so close to Floyd.