I honestly don't understand how he's missing on a lot of people's P4P lists. He's such an awesome fighter technically and there was nothing to seperate him in the Vazquez trilogy. They should be right next to each other in a P4P list, I just watched all 3 fights again. My assessment is that the first 2 fights were rather fortuous stoppages. Vazquez with the nose injury and Marquez I felt was stopped prematurely in fight 2. I had Marquez in control of the first fight, he boxed beautifully. I had it 66-65 Marquez at the time Vazquez quit, but he was getting into his stride more and more. Fight two I had Vazquez up by a few points, 58-55 to be precise, and I thought he would probably of won that fight, and may of stopped Marquez in that round but Marquez should of been allowed to continue as he was punching back and actually landing more often and more cleanly than Vazquez when they were trading and the fight was stopped. Fight 3 was probably the best of the lot, Marquez boxed exceptionally well again at the start, floored Vazquez for the first time in the trilogy and was ahead. But he started to get sloppy and get trapped on the inside as his jab wasn't as smooth as the first few rounds and Vazquez started to take them with some big shots, combinations and body work, but they were still trading rounds all the way through. Even with the point deduction in round 10 (I had it scored 9-9, I felt Marquez won the round), and the 10-8 round in the last round with the knockdown, I had it a 113-113 draw. Here's my scorecard for all 3 fights: Fight 1: Round One: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Two: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Three: Israel Vazquez 9-8. Round Four: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Five: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Six: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Seven: Israel Vazquez 10-9 Overall: 66-55 Marquez. Fight 2: Round One: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Two: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Three: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Four: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Five: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Six: Israel Vazquez 10-8 Overall: 58-55 Vazquez. Fight 3: Round One: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Two: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Three: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Four: Rafael Marquez 10-8. Round Five: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Six: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Seven: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Eight: Israel Vazquez 10-9. Round Nine: Rafael Marquez 10-9. Round Ten: Draw 9-9. Round Eleven: Israel Vazquez 10-9 Round Twelve: Israel Vazquez 10-8. Overall: 113-112 Vazquez. My point is there was nothing to seperate these two guys, and Marquez is a supreme technician with probably the most under-rated jab in boxing right now, a great right hand, left hook, power in both hands, great timing and he hits hard to the body and he's also got a lot of heart. Presuming you still have Vazquez in your top 10, I don't see how you can't have Rafa aswell.
Good post Tommy as usual. I agree on how you saw the fights,I had them about the same too but with the inactivity and recent losses many people have him out of the top 10. Plus he didn't look really good with Mendoza.
The inactivity knocked him out for me. Once he fights another live body and acquits himself well, he'll pop back on. As of the end of the trilogy, I had him ranked #5
he is clearly a to 10 p4p guy I love his fighting style, I remember when he KO'd Tim Austin years ago to broke out as a star!!
P4P Top 10 for certain. The inactivity issue was becoming the main justifiction for people not including him.
I can see what we are saying about the inactivity, but therefore why not drop both out? I saw Vazquez in plenty of lists and Marquez dropped from the top 10 completely, despite the fact Izzy didn't have a fight after the 3rd bout either. Also in terms of inactivity, they were dropped out of lists barely a couple of months after the 3rd fight. And regardless even if it's a year, you can't expect these 2 guys to get back in the ring so soon after a brutal trilogy like that.
Pretty much every credible list I saw kept them in there for a full year after the third fight, which is the standard amount of time where someone gets dropped from inactivity.
Well Vazquez did beat him 2 out of 3.And after1 year Idid see people drop Vazquez out of theur lists too.
yea, agreed Tommy. I have Rafa just below Vasquez.....Rafa at no.10 and Izzy at no.8.......due to inactivity more than anything. Does everyone think Nishioka (spelling?) would be a perfect comeback for Vasquez????
I dont understand how some people have him on his p4p list? What did he do in the last 3 years ... lost 2x to Vasquez?
Tell me he definatively lost x2 to Vazquez. The third fight was damn close and if not for the point deduction he didn't deserve, he would of won on my card. Do you have Vasquez on you're list?
As the smaller man, he beat a top 5 P4P guy and went life and death with him two other times. Are you telling me that if Mayweather and Pac had a trilogy, and all three fights were close, that you'd knock the guy who lost two of them out of your top 10?
