Rahman vs Liston: Who has the size advantage?

I respectfully disagree with part of what you believe.
Anyone who flips out & continually is mocking, trying to humiliate, & verbally abusive does need advice on how not to get "triggered" & personally unhinged, harm their happiness & the peace of the forum.

I appreciate your restraint, however if someone is banned they will not see your post.
Only if they are let back in is it possible-but if a post is not addressed to them, they get no notificatons, especially if it is a while back, it will not be noticed.

Your class & principles are quite evident.
Although it is also fine to politely tell say me how you think it is best to go about things-especially since I sometimes presume to do the same thing lol!

You may well be correct at how Pugguy would perceive my post.
Although ironically this is where you could exercise less certainty: given how he chose to write me & nicely...
How I did the same back to him...
How I did not comment on the toxic exchanges then, & how I credited him with being correct about a couple things I *missed* in his note to me...
And it is undeniable how he went over the top & got removed, but I made no mention of our past contretemps...Note I did not say he was to blame for starting things, or the offensive words being disproportionate between them.
Nor exculpate the other guy.

It is quite possible he would be big enough to say yeah I got carried away & laugh it off.
Without having to admit anything or absolve me of any perceived sins re: our own conflicts.

But again I think he could have interpreted it either way.
Ideally we could (& will) later laugh at our own arguably OCD foibles with a renewed respect & bond.
Send any suggestions re: that lobbying, likely discretely/A DM would be most effective.
Why no warning, or a brief or moderate length ban with a warning at worst, & total removal?

 

Of course they will. They only need come here as a visitor and peruse the threads they want to of which this one would be almost a certainty. I saw it from work today briefly without logging in.

Yeah i'm not sure what went on or how things were arrived at tbh. Maybe i'll PM Mac over a few quiet well behaved beers Saturday night. He's quite fair and honest.

 

Oh just on this one I've seen him in but two notable arguments in here. They were plenty of weeks apart. "Continually" really doesn't fit.

 

They might, but if gone for a long time it becomes less likely, since most people do not go back & read everything over many pages. But I read many whole threads-unless there are dozens of pages & I come upon it late-so yes he may.

Thanks very much, let me know here or via a message what I can do to help.

 

I did not mean he is usually like that at all.
I was referring to continually in the context of a long debate-that extended impolitic "discussion".
Pugguy is a unique, usually friendly & gracious, & often incisive & well-reasoned interlocutor.

 

I'd put money down that Pugs will have looked at a couple of pertinent threads by the weekends end if he hasn't already. It's human nature.

Do what you personally feel you want to do. You were talking about lobbying. Bannings are always a touchy topic.

 

Fair enough but you'd understand the way it came across perhaps.

Not to have a go but that last word looks like it belongs on a high tech car or a Ping driver (i have one)

 

Rahman is certainly bigger. On his best night I think he would be on Liston's level. However, Liston seems more consistent overall to me; Rahman had issues blowing hot and cold.

 

Yes I meant to say that I accidentally left it ambiguous.
Although I was referring to just his exchanges with CW, & I assumed my initial comment about how good he was overall would make that clear, it certainly can be interpreted either way.

For the record, I did not report their exchange & now I feel guilty for the unintendedly severe effect lol!
Unless their is clearly unilateral abuse, if folks jus' wanna a** r*pe each other continually, while not great for the forum, there is no clear villain necessitating action.
Only one uy did I report recently-because he followed up a gay baiting comment with a homophobic slur.
Sports has a history of anti-gay bias, & we should be exactly as tolerant of that as racial hate, say throwing around the N word.


Yes interlocutor was a harmlessly gratuitous deployment of semantics!
I had to oogle ping driver, initially my braiaian went to some kind of automatic pilot vehicle device.

 

It's the Ping G425 Max just to be clear tho i am thinking of switching to the LST version!!!!

And Rahman is bigger, but it doesn't matter, and i might delve into it over the weekend.

 

never on Liston level. his best night he did knock Lewis but look really more so average boxer very strong against non fit Lewis & got in big punch.
Liston=more skill by far
I believe

 

I think that the size difference is narrow enough, that this is going to turn heavily on the qualitative advantage.

 

Obviously I responded to your original, detracting reference to my mention of 15 1/2" of fist listing, having to correct you on the fact that it isn't a stat that requires a lot of digging to locate. I also pointed out that the claim of 81" came from just one forum source, not multiple sources as you orig. implied/stated. Fine, you acknowledged those errors but errors they still were.

There was no contention re the 80.5" listing, why repeat that? - as discussed many times before and as you should remember - that listing is available first hand for everyone to see, over laid on screen with other stats prior to/during the Liston vs Martin fight - a "one off" listing of 80.5", it doesn't constitute itself as forum "heresay", (viz: a poster who claims they saw a listing, or a poster who claims they read another poster who claimed they saw a listing, etc. etc. etc.).

You stated that I didn't debate "your" primary point re Rahman being the larger man??. I had already stated in the FIRST INSTANCE that Rahman is bigger in absolute terms but appropriately qualified the whys and wherefores behind his greater size, vs that of natural size which Liston more closely approximated to. Key markers suggest that Rahamn is not necessarily the larger man in pure, natural terms.

If, as you claim, it wouldn't be too difficult for some to dig up the actual evidence/listing for an alleged publishing of an 81" reach, the obvious answer to same is that it still hasn't been provided to date in accompaniment to the claim - a claim that still continues to exist as heresay.

Re your commentary on and during my brief "hiatus". Completely gratuitous, wholly inappropriate and comprised of false and self serving narratives. You're not a staff member. You are not the moralizer or pontiff for the forum - though it appears you would very much like to be. And, not to drag JT into it, but even he also had to correct you on several more points that were obviously wrong about in your posts.

Whether I agreed with the temporarily imposed "status" or not, I copped it sweet. No moaning. I DID NOT receive a permaban and this fact was clearly indicated to me by the powers that be in the first instance. No big deal. No one else waxed on about it as you did - not even the other poster in question. Just YOU.

My dialogue with the other poster had nothing to do with you. You took the opportunity to re-raise your own personal grievances/issues re previous discussions between yourself and I - discussions that I have long since moved on from but apparently you haven't found yourself big enough to do same.

Upon being aware of my "status", you literally edited your original reply to make comment on same. Your so called "council" is not sought nor is it qualified. You made these comments knowing I could not reply and also added "welcome back"?? You haven't been read the wrong way as you often claim when you are called out. You have been read correctly and duly replied to. There is not a thing wrong with DUE reply - you've posted multiple times on this matter when I could not - albeit inappropriate, you've had more than ample air time. Move on.

You can welcome me back now (NO more, NO less) , because I actually am.

 

Firstly i have to apologize for commenting you were likely permabanned as in the past the profile cleanse has been a bit of a giveaway.

Secondly welcome back!!!!!

 

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