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It's all speculation/guessing and you trying to act as if you know for sure that Coleman would walk all over Kerr in an MMA match (in their respective juiced primes) is interesting.....You base all of your conjecture on a college wrestling match (that took place at 190 pounds.....Kerr weighed about 260 in his MMA prime and there was certainly a big difference in his physicality from 19 to 27 yrs. of age)..... Basically you are saying that because Coleman beat Kerr in folkstyle wrestling(when Kerr was 19 and Coleman was 23) that he would beat Kerr in MMA (a different sport, years later and when Kerr weighed about a 1/3 more)..With that logic how did GSP ever beat Koscheck in MMA ? Since he certainly would not be able to beat Kos in a conventional free or folkstyle match up?

As far as wrestling credentials to say they don't stack up is a bit silly....

Kerr as well as Coleman was an NCAA Champ, he beat Randy Couture (some might know his name) badly by a score of 12-4 in the finals.....

He was also a national freestyle champion and like Coleman had beaten Angle 1x....

 

I already stated myself that Kerr beat Couture in College. Not sure why you are telling me what I have already stated. However, I think that anyone who knows about wrestling as you claim wouldn't be that surpised by that. Couture was a very good wrestler, but became much more popular in the wrestling world after his success in MMA than he was as just a wrestler. Couture was a very good College Wrestler, but he wasn't on Coleman's level either. Much better Greco wrestler than he was Folkstyle.

Also, what do you mean I am basing this off of that one match? I am basing this NOT ONLY on the fact that Coleman dominated him when they met head to head, but also after the fact Coleman went on to have a much greater career in wrestling. There is a big difference between winning a National Freestlye Tournament, and being a Pan Am Games Gold Medalist, 2nd in the WORLD at World Freestlye Championships, and an Olympian. Also, Coleman's MMA career is on a completely different level than Kerr's. What's the argument here? I mean... have you actually taken a look at who Kerr actually BEAT in MMA? The man lost to every top level guy that he faced (which wasn't many). His best win would have to be Inoue or Bobish. That is NOT the resume of a great MMA fighter. Just because he started to have a breakdown after he kept getting beat doesn't mean that it doesn't count or something. He just wasn't as good as he thought that he was. I think that became painfully apparent in his several comeback attempts.

Also... I clearly stated that I wouldn't expect Coleman to tool Kerr like he did back when they wrestled. However, I don't believe that Kerr could win that fight, because Coleman is better at the things that Kerr does best. The only advantage that Kerr has is submissions from the top, but he wouldn't be in that position. Kerr would never have Coleman on his back.

Stop pretending that I am basing this on just the one ass kickin' that Coleman put on Kerr.... when I have stated plenty of reasons.

Also... what on earth does this have to do with KOS and GSP? GSP is a much better MMA fighter than KOS. That is obvious... they also have different strengths and skill sets that left KOS vulnerable to GSP taking him down. Coleman and Kerr both looked to go into the ring and do the same thing. Difference being that Coleman was much more successful in his MMA career doing it. There is a HUGE difference between this scenario too, and I can't even believe that I need to explain it.

Kerr was a tough dude, and a VERY VERY good wrestler. However he wasn't as good at wrestling or MMA as people try and make him out to be.

 

Widdow,

Of course if we're talking about achievements this is a no-brainer; Coleman has an 'A' career and Kerr has a 'C' maybe. But I believe the point was a fantasy h2h matchup - and I still think Kerr is more than a live dog. Admittedly Kerrs peak was brief, but in the UFC and his first few Pride fights he looked genuinely awesome (even if the oppostion wasn't stellar) and was thought by a lot of knowledgable people to be the best fighter in the world for a brief time in the late 90's.

Now, I don't think Kerr could beat Coleman is a wrestling match, ever. But that doesn't mean he could never got the top position in an mma match. If that interminable thread about Kos/GSP could show someone anything it's that an inferior striker can outstrike a better one, an inferior wrestler can outwrestle a better one etc (IN MMA!) Now I know people might say that Coleman would have no fear at all of Kerr's striking abilities, and thus we're essentially talking about a wrestling match. There is some truth in that, BUT Ithink partly its just MMA IS DIFFERENT, period.

Another thing I'd say is Coleman has had throughout his career a tendency to gas, and throw in what is in Kerr a very similar skillset, and its not hard to imagine Coleman being at least neutralized, dragged into the deep waters and stopped.

Now, I'd stil favor Coleman ftw, but this was a match I wanted to see in the late 90's.

 

Every fighter has a chance to win. I am just speaking on what would happen, IMO. Also... we have seen how quickly Kerr wilts when he is down, and his opponent is on him... I don't see him dragging Coleman into deep waters. Also... if we are talking about Prime Coleman... let's not forget that Coleman used to fight in the Tournaments during his "Prime years". Look at the first tourny he was in... He battered his first opponent for 2:43.... then battered Goodridge for 7:00, and then went on to completely destroy Don Frye beyond recognition for over 11 minutes straight. Now that was 3 fights all in the same night.... with no breaks during the fights, only after each one. I don't see Coleman at that stage having a problem handling 3-5 minute rounds with breaks in between each. Coleman just entered MMA late in his life, and went with what he had. I know for a fact that he stopped training like a madman for a while and figured that he would just get by. By the time he took training seriously again he injured his neck badly. Was never really the same after that.

 

I think Kerr stopped juicing and he lost his aggression. Pure conjecture but that's why he dropped off so quickly.

I don't agree that Kerr would never get Coleman in his guard or on his back.

I thought this would be an interesting match up and wasn't a forgone conclusion. That's all.

 

By 1996 Coleman was already on the downside of his wrestling career. I think at the olympic trials I believe Coleman dropped to a 6th place finish. Kerr was the 1994 U.S. Freestyle Champ at 220 both Angle's and Coleman's weight class. It's erroneous to think that Coleman's pure wrestling skills got better in MMA. So considering the above let's go to 1998..... Coleman never faced a person in MMA who could nullify his strengths like Kerr could have. And now for the first time Kerr would have had a clear size advantage......that's my line of reasoning....

 

No problem... we just disagree.:good I have stated many times that we never even got to see a "prime" Coleman in the UFC as he didn't start until his 30's, and was a pretty big party animal at the time. Just wanted to remind you that it was just 1995 when Coleman beat Angle... so he clearly hadn't fallen too far off by 1996.

 

Fair nuff...

Hey widdow I am a bit disappointed you never asked what happened when I wrestled Yetts. :-(

Also this is the wrong thread but being from Ohio you have to support Pavlik, well you don't have to but I'd be surprised if you didn't.

Are you going to watch it? I know that Buffalo Wild Wings near the Ohio Valley Mall gets the fight. But to cut to the chase, any predictions?

 

I figured that you must have won, because you mentioned that you wrestled him. Also, he was one of those guys who really came into his own his senior year and in College.

Hell yea I support Pavlik. I will be watching the fight too. I am a little worried because he always seems so vulnerable to eat a huge shot, but he always seems to overcome and win. Yea, BW3's or "B Dubs" always shows fights out there. I normally don't go there though because I really don't like being around a bunch of loud people who talk and shout over the action and commentary.

 

Yetts was always tough....

But I agree with you about Pavlik eating a big shot, he just can't eat a ton of them like he did in the second round. I had to watch the replay a couple of times but I did notice where Pavlik stuck his chin out and Taylor cracked him right on the chin. It's amazing how fast the reaction time is even of the "slow" Pavlik. And how much he notices. He said he knew he had Taylor in the 7th when he cracked him and Taylor had a muscle twitch in his chest. You can actually see it on the video, Kelly wasn't lying.....