Rank all or pick the top 5-10 guys who came up from lighter weights to win heavyweight championships

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you can think of someone, add him. Any criteria you like. If success at heavy trumps success at both weights, use that. If you like success at multiple weights use that. Get as deep into it as you like. I have in roughly chronological...

    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Sam Langford (I consider the negro title a split championship)
    Marvin Hart
    Jack Twin Sullivan (for victory over Burns one before Burn's title win)
    Mike Schreck (For victory over Hart)
    Tommy Burns
    Jack Johnson
    Jack Dempsey
    Gene Tunney
    Young Stribling (Briefly recognized by NBA)
    Max Schmeling
    Jim Braddock
    Jim Bivins (Duration Champion)
    Ezzard Charles
    Joe Walcott
    Archie Moore (yes, I am including him for the Nevada state world championships)
    Floyd Patterson
    Michael Spinks
    Evander Holyfield
    Michael Moorer
    Johnny Ruiz
    Chris Byrd
    Roy Jones
    JamesToney (if you consider the NC)
    David Haye
    Oleksandr Usyk
     
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  2. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of the retired fighters, from a p4p perspective, bases on their entire careers:

    1. Langford
    2. Charles
    3. Fitzsimmons
    4. Moore
    5. Tunney
    6. Spinks
    7. RJJ
    8. Bivins
    9. Holyfield
    10. Toney

    Edit - with Bivins added to the options he enters my list at #8
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good stuff, sir. Thanks for answering.
     
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  4. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chrono Order

    Langford
    Schreck
    Jack Twin Sullivan
    Tommy Burns
    Gene Tunney
    Stribling
    Braddock
    Duration Title Bivins
    Ezzard Charles
    Archie Moore
    Moorer
    RJJ

    Theres a few guys who didn't win HW titles like Loughran, Miske and Gibbons who are better than most of this list.
     
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  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Braddock and Bivins are good calls and if you don't mind I am going to retro-actively add them to the list.

    Did Stribling, Schreck and Sullivan every make claims to be heavyweight champ?
     
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    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stribling won the NBA HW title in December 1930 but it has been retconned by the WBA because Schmeling beat him in his next fight and its not integral to the lineage.

    Schreck and Sullivan were claimants from early in Tommy Burns reign. Sullivan beat Tommy Burns for the MW title in the fight before Tommy Burns won the HW title. Schrecks claim has more historical support than Sullivans. They were both double claimants at LHW/HW.
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Then in they go.
     
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    Just reading up...was Shreck's claim from the Marvin Hart fight?
     
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    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup. Thats the one. Both Sullivan and Schreck lose their claims to Kaufman who runs around as the "nearly HW champion"(funniest title in boxing history) until he loses to Johnson.
     
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  10. catchwtboxing

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    Nice! I learned something. Thanks.

    POST SCRIPT: I guess Marvin Hart goes on the list, too. Didn't realize he started at middle.
     
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  11. Greg Price99

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    With Bivins added to the options, he's entered my list, under the same criteria, and Patterson has dropped out of the 10.
     
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    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sounds good. Much appreciated.
     
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  13. SolomonDeedes

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    Some of these title claims are debatable to say the least. Although the president of the NBA did say ahead of the Stribling-Griffiths fight that he thought Schmeling should be stripped of the title and the winner recognised as champion, the organisation never actually voted to make it happen. The United Press jumped the gun and described the fight as being for the title, but in reality the NBA continued to recognise Schmeling, with Stribling as #1 contender.

    Also, although Jack Kearns went round telling people that the Archie Moore - Nino Valdes fight was for the Nevada heavyweight title, the state commission never went along with the idea.

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    Even though he never actually won the HW crown Mickey Walkers run at HW has to be noted here because he drew with Sharkey who went on to be lineal HW champ.. no other former WW (Ring era) has managed to do what Walker did at HW.
     
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  15. Greg Price99

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    Walker's exploits at HW are insane for a 5ft 7ins pressure fighter who won his first World title at WW.

    For what it's worth, if he were added to the names in the OP, I'd rank him 4th on a p4p list, behind Langford, Charles and Fitzsimmons.