Rank Larry Holmes Top 5 oponents

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Do you think Norton would have beaten a prime Tyson? Tyson was harder to hit v Holmes.
     
  2. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man I really hate what I think is the answer to that one: no. Ken just seemed doomed against monster punchers, even though he had such a champion's heart. I'm not sure he'd last two rounds.

    To be completely honest, I wish I could say yes, because I happen to love Kenny more as a fighter than Mike. But Mike was just too powerful and fast. Ken might have landed a couple of killer body shots (perhaps a nice uppercut or two) but...

    Unconscious Ken in round 2. Wow, this really does pain me to write.
     
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  3. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Kenny would have done better against post-prison Mike, perhaps made it several extra rounds longer (might have even knocked down Mike). But again, I just can't see him taking flush shots for long against Mike.

    Ken really didn't do great backing up, and Mike would be all over him, regardless whether it was the 80s or 90s.

    Here's an interesting idea to me: Ali-beating Ken vs. Holmes-beating Holy.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    You must mean the third fight between Norton and Ali right?
     
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I mean prime Ken (beating Ali that first time) against prime Holy. I don't think it would be as easy a win for Holy as some might think.

    In fact, I'd be surprised as heck if there wasn't a thread about that here yet...
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I think Holy improved when he fought Bowe in his rematch, he said in that fight he learned how to beat Tyson, he had grown size and as a fighter.
     
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  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    I'm still not convinced Holy ever beat Bowe, however he did look really good in that fight.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    Tyson
    Holyfield
    Michael Spinks
    Witherspoon
    Norton or Cooney
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Witherspoon wasn't prime. He was a cherry pick gone wrong.
     
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    Just a reminder...Berbick beat Thomas (undefeated), Mitch Green (undefeated), Page (undefeated), Bey, and John Tate, and held a heavyweight title. That's a lot better than what most of the guys who Holmes fought accomplished.
     
  11. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Berbick was a bit like Weaver, Witherspoon, and Smith in that they seemed to become better fighters after they fought him (I believe all became champs, not positive on Smith).

    In other words, I think all of those fighters were actually pretty darn good when they fought him. Probably, significantly better than they're given credit for.

    No, they weren't Ali, Norton, Foreman, Tyson, Frazier, Lewis, Holy, or Louis...but still very good fighters quite worthy of a title shot.
     
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    Also McCall who beat Lewis, Seldon, Akinwande, Holmes (old), and Maskaev (green) and Damiani.
     
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  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    McCall did beat Lewis, and Lewis ended up being a very great fighter (top five ATG imo, and I'm not even a big fan of Lewis).
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    When was Spoon`s prime then?
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No, Tyson, Holy, Spinks, Norton and Witherspoon were all far better than McCall, this list of names above you gave is crap, Lewis was all over the place at that stage of his career, he was awful against a past prime Tucker and a basic Bruno.