Rank Ray Leonard Thomas Hearns Floyd Mayweather Terence Crawford

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  1. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Plus, a detached retina suffered at the hands of Hearns, who he walked down and actually beat - kinda has an impact on your ability to continue taking on the best fighters. Add in mountains of Charlie up your nose, as many celebrities of the era did, kinda impacts your ability to stay focused and fight, let alone be fit to fight.

    Ray was very clearly about his business and appeared to try to achieve his legacy with lowered risk for the most reward. That he achieved so much with addictions and outside noise is remarkable.
     
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  2. NoNeck

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    He has one of strongest resumes ever at 154 if you count the 155 Lara fight. I think you meant to say Hearns or Benitez.
     
  3. NoNeck

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    That didn't happen. He got a detached retina in sparring.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’ve started taking LSD on a Sunday now?

    Canelo did nothing at JMW.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    The real takeaway here is that nobody has ever amassed a record at 154 alone worthy of being called an atg.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah.

    But a few guys who fought there were ATG’s in general.
     
  7. NoNeck

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    Is there a better day for taking LSD?
     
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  8. META5

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    My bad, seems like he did - I would venture that Hearns' punishment didn't help.

    I always thought that the injury was caused by Hearns' punches - seems like accumulation of heavy punches.

    The points still stand.
     
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  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    A detachment is a sudden injury often caused by something like a thumb in the eye.
     
  10. META5

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    100% of the time?

    No build up?

    Completely different part of the body but when I popped my Achilles, did kickboxing on the Saturday, gym on the Sunday, running on the Monday, popped it playing football on the Tuesday. Docs said I had 5 - 10% attachment and could therefore avoid surgery but it was a combination of overload and not being prepared for football.

    With the different gloves back then, makes sense I suppose.

    A shame though, healthy eye and continued targeted match-making, Ray could've possibly worked his way into Top 10 ATG contention.
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    You can get a little tear and the entire retina can tear off shortly after. It’s not really a cumulative thing. It’s a thin level of nerve issue, not build for wear and tear like cartilage.
     
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  12. META5

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    Slightly surprised that there aren't more retina injuries or maybe there are and I never focused on it.

    Thanks for the education.
     
  13. NoNeck

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    A lot of little blips on the retina will heal on their own and go undiagnosed rather than progressing. There's enough importance and evolution behind eyes that we have two or them and you don't lose one easily.
     
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    Yes.... due to the disparity in resume and skill set is miniscule.