Rank the records of these champions

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  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    inspired by Sweets thread.I'm going to list some highly regarded modern lighter-weight fighters that it is commonly agreed fought relatively weak opposition.When drawbacks of these fightes are discussed this is what inevitably comes up.

    So who was hampered the most by soft challengers?.Only wins are relevant here.


    Rafael Marquez
    Naseem Hamed
    Veeraphol Sahaprom
    Mark Johnson
    Myung-Woo Yuh
    Jiro Watanabe
    Yoko Gushiken
    Sot Chitalada
    Khaosai Galaxy
    Ricardo Lopez
    Yuri Arbachakov
    Chiquita Gonzalez
    Michael Carbajal
    Pong Wongjongkam
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Obviously I will get back to you on this.
     
  3. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where r Orlando Canizales and Ivan Calderon ?
     
  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And this thread made me recheck Jorge Lujan's record and think that he may have been a greater fighter than all of those mentioned .
    Also , I think Willie Pep deserves a mention , at least regarding d vast majority of his wins if 1 could really call them this way .
     
  5. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Forgot about Canizales and Calderon isn't very good.
     
  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just off the top of my head, without a thorough investigation, I'd probably rank them like this when it comes to best to worst wins resumes:


    Naseem Hamed
    Chiquita Gonzalez
    Michael Carbajal
    Rafael Marquez
    Yuri Arbachakov
    Myung-Woo Yuh
    Jiro Watanabe
    Sot Chitalada
    Veeraphol Sahaprom
    Pong Wongjongkam
    Mark Johnson (I'm gifting him the first Marquez win - and his resume is still ass)
    Khaosai Galaxy
    Yoko Gushiken
    Ricardo Lopez
     
  7. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    A fine effort.There's not much between most of them really.I should have put Canizales and\or lora\Moon instead of Hamed, but forgot about them.

    The one i'm sure of is having WongjongKam rock bottom.He's the only one that doesn't really even have one good win over an arguably good to very good fighter imo.

    What do you think of Gushiken's win over Vargas? Not enough to put him over Galaxy at least?.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Where was Vargas as that stage of his career? What about the cut to light fly?

    Galaxy has Orono (dead); Korean Sot botherer; Kongtonaree; Pical;

    Gushiken: Vargas, Lopez, Abella, and a bunch of guys I rarely come across. Not even an Ursua on there for me to chew on.

    And Khaosai didn't get battered by some joker he'd already beaten. Aesthetics it's Gushiken, but I think this is one of the rare occasions he isn't on the wrong end of a battle of ring records.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    How are we ranking Yuh's discernible opponents? Blanco, Gamez x2, Ahn......meh.
     
  10. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I'm not too sure about Vargas.I've thought about the drop in weight before which may well have been a foolish move, though he didn't look shot against Gushiken imo.

    He had beaten Rafael Pedroza(limited, but a big puncher with plenty of drive) and Olivo in his run up to the fight, so i tend to consider him still good, but not at his best.The same with Lopez; his effort against Yoko was his last hurrah as a top contender.

    Gushiken also has Rafael pedroza in there and Rios and Mercano if you're being generous.Abella i suppose as well, though i thought he was pretty bad.

    Galaxy has Orono who's legs had gone(though still probably better than most of his challengers),limited big puncher Contreras, Yong-Kang Kim(decent fighter but at a serious size disadvantage), Willie Jensen and a few like MAtsumura, Pical, Castro, Ford if you want to be generous, though only Jensen could be said to be an above average fighter imo.

    I'd say Galaxy bested more ok "serviceable" types with Gushiken's best couple of wins being the better of the two.Defnitely both on the same overall tier for record quality.

    The way Gushiken ended his career against a mediocre fighter would come into it in an overall greatness comparison of the two, but i'm just interested in the fighters winning record here.Gushiken does have the weight issues and burnout claims to explain the Flores fights, though it's still a poor way to finish things when he could easily have gone up to Flyweight.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Contreras is his best win IMO. He did go on to starch Vasquez and Espinosa.
     
  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Blanco wasn't more than average.The impressive thing there is how he handled him compared to Dave McAuley.

    I'd take Gamez as Yuh's best opponent.Then Olivo , De Marco.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Oh, and I'm making the mistake of making a direct career comparison between fighters. Apologies.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Exactly that. That Thai mush starched him as well.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    As for Abella I'm just taking him on being a journeyman that mixed in class. I omitted Olivo for Yuh, my bad. Pleas ignorance on Demarco unless I'm having a stoned moment. Either way, pretty uninspiring.

    How do you see Ohashi for Lopez? Outside of Lopez destroying him, I've only seen him lose against Chang x2, how did he fare at Straw?