Rank the TOP 10 HW from the 90s to here

Agreed
Ruiz and Joshua would be a pickem

 

02 tyson has faster hands and more power than Andy, yet you think Aj beats him

Tyson although over 230lb was not morbid obese either

Just because Lewis was composed enough to handle him, doesn't mean Aj with his hands low would

Tyson even then would smash Aj. I don't know how old you are, but Tyson trained extremely hard for that fight. Sure his best days were long past, but that was a dangerous fighter still

Lewis had the right mix of skills, discipline, size, mental strength etc to deal with him.

Aj wouldn't beat him

Perhaps the best Fury could, buy I wouldn't favour Aj or wilder to beat even that version of Mike

 

Ok. We will have to agree to disagree. The 02 Tyson had no stamina. He looked out of breath in round 2 vs Lewis. The idea that he trained really hard is verifiably false.

AJ got chinned once vs Ruiz who landed a peach of a left hook on his equilibrium. The 02 Tyson has fast hands but a short reach combined with slow feet. He has short arms and is only 5'10 unlike the 6'2 Ruiz. If he doesn't chin AJ in round 1 or 2, fight is over.

I am not sure how one can overrate this version of Mike. He had 1 legit win after his fight with Lewis- and that was vs Etienne.

The idea that because Ruiz chinned Joshua once means he can't beat punchers. Come on. Joshua took flush shots from Wladamir, one of the hardest hitting heavyweights ever. And even that version of Wlad had exceptional power. Joshua beat Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, and Wlad and because of being ko'd by Ruiz once it somehow means he automatically loses to a puncher. Come on. This is like saying Lewis loses to punchers because he got chined twice - and neither guy was an exceptional puncher.

Joshua smashes 2002 Mike. I am old enough to remember how poor this version of Tyson was.

 

He had the stamina to take a beating for 8 rounds from the best h2h fighter in history

Nobody with zero stamina could withstand that for 8 rounds

He crushes that useless stiff who is so overrated by you guys

 

aj is overrated. Him vs shot Tyson might be 50/50

 

So much so and was manufactured
I really can't believe even after his humiliation vs Dubois, that these guys rate him? Lol

He's absolutely manufactured and I have said that for years

 

sure. And i suppose Kevin McBride and Danny Williams would also have a good chance vs AJ. Jesus christ.

 

All they need to do is land and joshua is in trouble

 

That was after the Lewis fight
It was obvious that Tyson had the last throw of the dice vs Lewis and mentally wasn’t the same going into Williams

I can't believe how high you rate Aj, he's useless lol

 

I guarantee you that Tyson in 02 wouldn't beat a number of guys Joshua has beaten - including old Wlad, Povetkin etc.

AJ isn't useless. He is better than the most of Lewis's opponents. He would smash 02 Tyson. I will just agree to disagree.

 

I don't know what's going on here, a prime aj just got absolutely demolished with little difficulty and people are on here saying he's still one of the top heavyweights since the 90s ? This thing has to be a whole joke that we're not in on, that's the only logical explanation

It's funny stuff tho, Joshua himself claimed he felt great and was hitting harder than ever after Otto Wallin the fans have 0 excuses

 

You can't guarantee nothing
Also you are s....g over the old tyson to bum up your idol

We will agree to disagree if you like, you quoted me first

How about we compare their best versions then?
Aj is absolutely useless and prime for prime he would be terrified and not see the third round

 

Dubouis beat Aj like a dog, much easier than Lewis beat an old Tyson, so that must make Dubois the GOAT? Lol

It's laughable they have to defend his honour by comparing him to the worst versions of of legends

Hey he might beat the Ali that lost to Berbick, Right? Lol

 

So Chagaev is ranked higher because of his small size? If so, explain why Valuev is above Byrd? Valuev is the tallest heavyweight champion of all time. And Chris Byrd is one of the smallest (he is slightly shorter than even Chagaev). Now let us compare Byrd to Valuev.

1. Byrd beat Holyfield in 2002. Valuev beat Holy in 2008 when Holyfield was FORTY-SIX! Byrd beat the real deal comfortably. Valuev won a close and controversial majority decision.

2. Byrd beat Vitali. Valuev beat John Ruiz (twice, including once when he was past his best).

3. Byrd beat Tua, a highly rated contender. Valuev beat Liakhovich who is considered among the worst alphabet champs of all time.

4. Byrd beat McCline, Oquendo and Williamson to defend his title. He also fought Golota to a draw. Valuev beat McCline, Beck and Barrett apart from the geriatric Holyfield.

5. Byrd lost to Ibeabuchi, Klitschko (twice) and Povetkin at heavyweight. Valuev lost to Chagaev and Haye.

From the resume, it is pretty clear that Valuev beat nobody of substance apart from the controversial Ruiz. I don't see a single reason to put Valuev over Byrd.

As a matter of fact, I don't see a single reason to put Chagaev over Byrd either. Chagaev is definitely underrated, but he hasn't done anything significant to be placed higher than Byrd. Chagaev has just three wins against contenders - Ruiz (who was past it at this point), Valuev and an ancient Oquendo in Fres's last fight. His defenses were weaker than even Valuev's - against Skelton and Drumond!

 

You just answered why. Chagaev beat Valuev whose a foot taller among other large HWs like Pianeta and Skelton. Byrd is Chagaevs size but he didn't beat Valuev. Byrds big career feat is beating Vitali and how you rate him tends to depend how you feel about Vitali. By my arbitrary count both Chagaev and Byrd have beaten 7 contenders and stopped 1. Byrds 7 were worse and his decisions were all close. Byrd fought more contenders 11 to 9 but I'll take Chagaevs 7-2 over Byrds 7-4. Valuev is 7-2 against contenders with 3 stops. Chagaev was also only stopped twice while Byrd was stopped four times.

Valuev started his career 46-0. Despite how common "0s" are among top HWs only Tommy Gibbons, Marciano, Holmes and Tunney have longer undefeated streaks. Valuev is the best HW champ Wladimir didn't fight except his brother. Valuev also was never stopped. These are all meaningful superlatives. Holyfields performance against Valuev was one of the best highlights of Holyfields career. Despite not deserving said shot coming off a loss. Valuevs legacy isn't based on beating old Holyfield in his last title defense.


Unlike Byrd both Chagaev and Valuev had realish alphabet belts in the absence of a real champ. Their fight in April 2007 could have been for "the" belt. By contrast Byrds IBF belt was stripped from Lennox Lewis because Lennox didn't want to fight Byrd. And he won said belt by beating Holyfield who'd been 2-2-2 his past 6 fights. I don't consider it a real belt because it was taken off a dominant champ. And Byrd gave up 4 rounds or more in all his defenses.