Rank them: Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins, Toney

This thread is starting to become a farce like so many other one's. People tend just to give the vote to their favourite fighter.

Objectively, Toney ranks at 3 (inconsistency) and Calzaghe at 4 (lack of strong resume).

The number one spot could be argued between Jones and Hopkins.

1. Hopkins/Jones
2. Jones/Hopkins
3. Toney


4. Calzaghe

If Toney captures a title at heavy , he will move up.

 

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1. Jones Jr.
2. Toney
3. Hopkins



4. Calzaghe

 

P4P I would say prime Toney was a better fighter than Calzaghe. But Calzaghe had the better career, IMO. That's why they are the same level.

 

1. Jones
2. Calzaghe
3. Hopkins
4. Toney

 

lets see calzaghe beat jones and hopkins ,jones beat hopkins nad toney so

CALZAGHE IS THE BEST EASY



















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HTH prime:

Jones
Calzaghe
Hopkins
Toney


Legacy:

Hopkins
Jones
Calzaghe
Toney

Im not sure on the head to head prime really, but i think i deffo got the legacy order right.

 

He did try to. B hop backed out of the fight (money issues) and RJJ didnt even know who Calz was.

 

1.Calzaghe
2.Jones
3.Hopkins
4.Toney

 

And the roids

 

H to H prime

Calzaghe
Jones
Hopkins
Toney

Legacy

Jones
Calzaghe
Hopkins
Toney

 

Also my order for both question

 

Toney gets seriously underrated on here. His resume has a few glaring slip-ups but he has an 'old-time' record; look at Archie Moore and Ezzard Charle's resume's for instances, there are periods of inconsistency, similar to Toney's. He's made up for it by blinding performances in nearly every weight division (I personally think he didn't do so great at Light-Heavy, but made up for it at Cruiser and Heavy)

For what is basically an obese man to have the speed, accuracy, skills and head movement he had it is unbelievable. His chin is ATG.

I have it;

Jones/B-Hop (depending on the next year or two I think we will finally have a deciding choice. Jones is past prime but is not detracting from his resum.e Hop may have one last decent scalp left in him also. Roy is having a few average wins, Hop probably preparing for something very good.)

Toney; as I say, a few periods of inconsistency but he has fought twice as many fights as Calzaghe and beaten twice as many 'good' wins on his resume as you can find in the whole of Calzaghe's career.

It's not as wide as I put it for the reasons states; Calzaghe had a formidable career set, some impressive wins and never really looked out of his depth. It's more than reasonable to suggest he would have been able to compete with most if all of the greats around his peak weight (at Light-Heavy he showed he could be dropped early. There's no reason why Spinks/Foster/Saad/Moore couldn't do this, and unlike Hop/Roy, they would've finished him) but thi isn't a 'H2H debate'; in terms of combined resume/skillset, I deduct that the order is;

Roy/Hop
Toney
Calzaghe

 

How?

OK the Hopkins fight fell through, but what did Calzaghe do after that apart from fight Mitchell who was coming off a loss to Ottke, rematch Veit, fight a guy who had been blown away by the mediocre Masoe and was having his first (and subsequently only) fight at SMW etc etc. Not much is it to put yourself in the frame.

I'm afraid Calzaghe was just following the Frank Warren blue print, stay at home defending a meaningless alphabet strap against nobodies enabling you to build a long unbeaten record that looks good on paper, while claiming to be number one and demanding that the real World champions come to you on your terms. Then, when (surprise surprise) these fighters don't want to come to you to fight for the short end of the purse with everything stacked against them, claim that they are ducking you.

 

1. Jones
2. Calzaghe
3. Hopkins
4. Toney