Rank these 10 Mexican ATGs

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  1. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nobody is ignorantly omitted here. Obviously the lot goes deeper than ten, this is just a random group of ATGs and how they're viewed amongst eachother on ESB.

    * Kid Azteca
    * Marco Antonio Barrera
    * Miguel Canto
    * Julio Cesar Chavez
    * Ricardo Lopez
    * Erik Morales
    * Ruben Olivares
    * Vicente Saldivar
    * Salvador Sanchez
    * Carlos Zarate
     
    TAC602, Dec 22, 2011
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  2. Flea Man

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    Lopez last.
     
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  3. SenorRamirez

    SenorRamirez Active Member Full Member

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    last ? man you are dumb are you from haiti
     
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  4. Flea Man

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    Considering he has a way lesser resume than all of those, and would also place below Chucho & Herrera I'd say it's completely justified, so get ****ed you ugly ****.
     
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  5. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    Chavez
    Olivares
    Sanchez
    Saldivar
    Canto
    Morales
    Barrera
    Azteca
    Zarate
    Lopez
     
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  6. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    01. Sanchez
    02. Saldivar
    03. Chavez
    04. Olivares
    05. Canto
    06. Zarate :D
    07. Barrera
    08. Morales
    09. Azteca
    10. Lopez
     
    TAC602, Dec 23, 2011
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Lopez can be ranked over Barrera, Morales and Azteca IMO
     
    GPater11093, Dec 23, 2011
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  8. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You think?

    I have a hard time even justifying Zarate over Barrera. I just like him better as a fighter.
     
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  9. Flea Man

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    No way to the first two, Azteca more justifiable (patchiness, lack of footage, less discernible 'talent') but Lopez is ridiculously overrated. I'd feel comfortable having JMM, Zurita and Arizmendi ahead of him, so Lopez would be more in the 15-20 bracket for me most probably.

    Lopez has about five or six names on his resume that really mean something and being the greatest Straw weight means very little in the grand scheme of things. Aesthetically, beautiful of course, but not 'great' by any means IMO.
     
    Flea Man, Dec 23, 2011
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  10. SenorRamirez

    SenorRamirez Active Member Full Member

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    100% over azteca 100%%%%
    a boxer with mega skills
     
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  11. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    01. Sanchez
    02. Chavez
    03. Olivares
    04. Saldivar
    05. Zarate
    06. Canto
    07. Barrera
    08. Morales
    09. Lopez
    10. Azteca (I plead ignorance)
     
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  12. Flea Man

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    But it's not just the skills that make up a fighters ranking is it? If it is just based 'on skills' I guess you'd side with me on Herrera/Chucho>>>>Lopez as well?
     
    Flea Man, Dec 23, 2011
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  13. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd probably rate Lopez over Azteca as well. Then again I'd rate Rodolfo Casanova and Baby Arizmendi over either.
     
    El Bujia, Dec 23, 2011
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  14. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    It's certainly justifiable, and my 'Lopez is last' was more of a definite article regarding my opinion of him being an overrated fighter.

    -It's hard to get a great gauge of Azteca
    -Mixed in incredible class, never dominant
    -Didn't get the better of many of his series' with quality opponents

    Casanova is one guy I haven't got a major grasp on, but I'm aware of his quality. Any footage knocking about, and why the lofty ranking of him?
     
    Flea Man, Dec 23, 2011
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  15. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Quality of opposition.

    I just see Sanchez being the man here, even with the extreme brevity of his career. He won arguably the most significant Mexico-PR megafight of all-time against a thought to be invincible Wilfredo Gomez. Some make a hot mess of Gomez making the 4lb leap, but so did Zarate when he was stopped by Bazooka. I give full credit in both instances. And Gomez was still favored. He beat another HOF, ATG Puncher in Lopez and did it twice. After that, great wins against a very very game if green Azumah Nelson (another slamdunk HOFer) as well as Castillo, La Porte, Castanon. Some of these guys are among the first listed on JCC's resume.

    Imagine Sanchez beats Pedroza to unify the titles, and Nelson gets a deserved rematch.

    He hasn't even left 126 at this point!
     
    TAC602, Dec 23, 2011
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