Rank these 10 Mexican ATGs

great list T, but I'll add a few more.
1 Manuel Ortiz- a truly great bantam champion in the 1940s
2 Chalky Wright- born in Durango, Chalky spotted more weight in his long career than any modern fighter. a great puncher was he...
3- Aurelio Herrera, probably the hardest punching lightweight ever...

 

Marsh had too quit, he was suffering from epilepsy. Saldivar quit for seemingly no good reason (from a boxing fan's point of view), just when it looked like he could become special...

 

btw saldivar's comeback and ability to regain the title and score another few world class victories seems to be forgotten here.

One of the sports better comebacks, all told.

 

Didn't what? Dominate one of the stronger eras in the division's history? I'm pretty sure he did do that.

 

He beat Ismael Laguna, Jose Legra, Johnny Famechon, Sugar Ramos, Howard Winstone, Raul Rojas, Mitsonuri Seki, Baby Luis, Dwight Hawkins, & Floyd Robertson.

Obviously fighting past 27 years of age is one of your criteria for greatness and resume isn't.

LMFAO@Lopez being # 4. THat's truly hilarious.

 

1-2's Chavez & Olivares, Sanchez at #4.

 

Chavez
Sanchez
Canto
Olivares
Morales
Saldivar
Barrera
Lopez
Zarate
Kid Azteca

 

Sorry TAC, not aimed at you. Just that Saldivar gets sold short in general in spite of the massive things he achieved in such a narrow time frame during an excellent era. Gets routinely rated below the likes of the modern trio, Sanchez et al purely through people being ignorant of what he did and how good he was. I was going to say something back to TBooze but other posters have already covered it smartly enough.

 

Manuel Ortiz was American born. Thus, he was a Mexican-American and not a Mexican National...Same with Aurelio Herrera...Just saying.

 

Sanchez was magnificent, but I think he gets a bit overrated sometimes. Great wins over Lopez x2, Gomez and Nelson with further top wins over La Porte, Castillo and Ford. But is that necessarily better than wins over Ramos, Winstone x3, Laguna, Famechon, Legra, Robertson, Luis, Seki x2, Sanchez, Hawkins, Crawford etc. I'm not sure it is, everything taken into account. It's all well and fine to speculate on what Sanchez could have done further were it not for what happened to him, but I think he was a prodigy who peaked early and might well have retired just as early or even declined very quickly, ala Benitez. It certainly seems more likely than him living on and going through Pedroza, Chavez and Arguello unscathed, especially when you consider that he shipped what was potentially career-shortening punishment against Little Red, Gomez, Nelson, Ford and the like despite never losing to any of them. Btw, I've read that he was interested in getting out early anyway in order to go into medicine, which is unsurprising when you factor in what a smart, calculating young bloke he was. He also fought in a prime time television era and has benefited as such in terms of wider exposure amongst his generation in addition to the surrounding 'what if' aura in a way that Saldivar -whose career wasn't all that much longer than Sanchez's - never did despite his self -imposed layoff and subsequently excellent comeback. It's similar to the way that Barrera and company have gained from being the first internet era superstars in such a way that people automically assume they're inherently superior to Chucho Castillo, Herrera, Macias etc.

I suppose I'm running the risk here of sounding like someone who says 'I'm not racist, but....', but this isn't an anti-modernist rant. I'm a big, big admirer of Sanchez and to a slightly lesser extent the modern trio, Marquez especially.

 

Saldiovar the ****ing boyo like, lets be honest guy was amazing.
Lopez gets underrated cause he gets overrated, you know?

Guys a great fighter with a good resume

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih1yX7fc3Lo[/ame]


Watch the interview at the end


"a strong man, but not much else":-(

 

guy speaks sense like i would say the same