Rank these 4 legends in order Hagler,Napoloes,Olivares,Ortiz

I'd address the thread question but I run the risk of upsetting Anarci. A Mexican would not top the list.

 

McGrain enters a thread just to correct someone again? Say it ain't so? :think

Oh and this time he ****ed up. These are glorious times

 

There is only one "o" in Napoles's name, no matter how many times you decide to spell it differently for whatever reason.

 

I'll answer if you spell "Napoles" correctly.

 

I knew you couldn't bring yourself to do it.

 

These guys are very tightly bunched for me and I wouldn't have a lot of argument with any order. I have:

Hagler
Napoles
Ortiz
Olivares

It could be argued that Olivares was as good or better at his weight than any of them, but with such quality resumes, I have to seperate somehow, and Ruben took his share of losses at the end. I always admired Hagler for just saying "**** it" after the Leonard fight. I would not have wanted to see the likes of a Michael Nunn beating him.

 

Napoles
Olivares
Ortiz
Hagler

Ortiz & Olivares are just about interchangable. I think there's a clear gap between Napoles and Hagler; Napoles faced and beat better opposition (honestly, anyone questioning this should take another look). Not to say that Hagler couldn't, it's just that he didn't. If you're rating on head-to-head ability, you really could mix them up in any order, although I think I'd still have a lightweight Napoles just ahead.

 

Hagler
Napoles
Ortiz
Olivares

I don't see how you can have Hagler fourth really.. his wins over Antufermo, Hearns, Duran, Sibson and Minter match up well with the other guys resumes and while Olivares' may have been the best of the lot at his very best but his inconsistency is a definate shortcoming for me.

 

Seriously?

Let's compare their wins over rated opponents:

Marvin Hagler

Sugar Ray Seales
Eugene Hart
Willie Monroe (x2)
Mike Colbert
Kevin Finnegan (x2)
Bobby Watts
Bennie Briscoe
Loucif Hamani
Marcos Geraldo
Alan Minter
Fulgencio Obelmejias (x2)
Vito Antuofermo
Mustafa Hamsho (x2)
Tony Sibson
Wilford Scypion
Juan Roldan
John Mugabi

Roberto Duran
Thomas Hearns

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Jose Napoles​

Angel Robinson Garcia
Bunny Grant
Tony Perez (x2)
Baby Vasquez (x2)
LC Morgan (x3)
Alfredo Urbina (x2)
Carlos Hernandez
Adolph Pruitt (x2)
Eugenio Espinoza
Herbie Lee
Leroy Roberts
Eddie Pace
Ernie Lopez (x2)
Edwin Mack
Manuel Gonzalez
Billy Backus
Jean Josselin
Hedgemon Lewis (x2)
Ralph Charles
Roger Menetrey
Clyde Gray
Horacio Saldano
Armando Muniz (x2)

Eddie Perkins
Curtis Cokes (x2)
Emile Griffith

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I'd say Napoles' era was marginally stronger, but he beat more contenders in his career so naturally he'll be rated higher. He also gets extra points for being a small welterweight (really just a lightweight), regaining his respect after the Muniz farce and avenging his fluke title loss at the hands of Backus.​