Rank These 6 Fighters In Order Of Greatness!

True,but higher than Sanchez?

 

**** Donaire.He couldn't hang with guys like Park, Oguma, Espadas or Betulio Gonzalez.

I don't think Canto was inconsistent, he made so many full distance defenses one after the other without any controversy.

No shame in losing to Park when you are slowing down.Park was a huge talent and is a nightmare for any pure boxer.

 

He was consistent when he got the title, but overrall he was pretty inconsistent.

What happened in the Park rematches?

Also while were on the subject Mante. Ive watched soem Betulio Gonzalez (Canto 2 and 3; Oguma 2) and he gets shut out or nearenough in all of them, how did he beat so many greats and even beat Canto and Oguma?

 

No need to worry of humiliation.

Lists are subjective, that's the bottom line and if you'd like to give Hearns a better score for his resume, then that's your prerogative.

However, I'd like to think that my criteria are pretty good. The only things I can see that are missing are a category for ability (which was left out not to bias guys we can't see on film) and a category for achievements (winning belts or title defenses and other stats like that are irrelevant to my placings). Otherwise I think it's pretty thorough.

Do you see any gaps in the criteria you'd like to point out? Feedback is appreciated - though only after you've read what my criteria are based on, which is listed there at the top of the page in the link.

 

I think ability should be a big part of your rankings, in mine they are a big part, but then again that is probably why i get so much flack for rating certain guys real high. That is why i have SRL so much higher than most do and also Sanchez,Ricardo Lopez and many others too. However there is a time to draw the line thats why Jones can only go so high in my ratings.
Its really a difficult thing to do,no matter how you rank your guys your always gonna have even the most knowledgable fans thinking your list is off.
I just find it hard to rate certain fighters with higher resumes but not that great in the overall skills department,above Super skilled fighters with good but not great resumes.

 

I'm a big fan of Gonzalez. Whilst I'm quite sceptical of his win over Canto (you have to kill someone to get a split dec in Venezuela against a Venezuelan) he did fair ok in some fights against elite comp. He was actually quite a decent boxer early on in his career, but became more plodding and relied on his strength more when he lost the speed and spring of youth.

This is how I've scored some of his fights:

Betulio Gonzalez vs. Masao Ohba: 145-144 Gonzalez
Ohba: 2,5,6,7 and 13.
Gonzalez: 3,4,9,10,12 and 15.
Rounds 1,8,11 and 14 even.

Guty Espadas vs. Betulio Gonzalez: 143-142 Espadas
Gonzalez: 7,8,9,11,12,13 and 14.
Espadas: 1,2,3,4,5,6,10 and 15.

Luis Ibarra vs. Betulio Gonzalez: 144-143 Ibarra
Gonzalez: 2,4,8,12,13 and 14.
Ibarra: 1,3,7,,9,10,11 and 15.
Rounds 5 and 6 even.

Miguel Canto vs. Betulio Gonzalez II: 147-140 Canto
Gonzalez: 9,10 and 12. I
Canto: 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,11,13 and 15.
Rounds 6 and 14 even.

Miguel Canto vs. Betulio Gonzalez III: 146-142 Canto
Gonzalez: 3,6,9 and 11.
Canto: 1,4,5,10,12,13,14 and 15.
Rounds 2,7 and 8 even.

Shoji Oguma vs. Betulio Gonzalez II: 144-143 Gonzalez
Oguma: 3,4,5,9,11 and 15.
Gonzalez: 1,7,8,10,12,13 and 14.
Rounds 2 and 6 even

Shoji Oguma vs. Betulio Gonzalez III: 146-141 Oguma
Gonzalez: 5,8,11 and 15.
Oguma: 1,2,3,4,6,7,9,10,13 and 14.
Round 12 even.

 

Why not? He's more proven and accomplished than Sanchez.

 

At the end of the day I don't have a problem with someone ranking someone based on their ability, I just think it's inconsistent to do so across the board when you are ranking them next to fighters that we can't see.

I'm all for and will probably make a list myself ranking fighters where I take ability into consideration, but I'll simply leave the likes of Greb out of it.

 

Thanks for that i had the 2nd Oguma fight a shut out for Oguma (he won a UD didnt he?) I agree with the rest ie Canto 2 and 3 but i see i need to see more Gonzalez

 

The second fight ended a split decision for Oguma and the third fight was ruled a draw.

I have a suspicion that you are referring to the third Oguma-Gonzalez fight where you say you had it a shutout for Oguma.

I thought that was a clear Oguma win too, and I cannot understand how it was called a draw, other than by the obvious method (corruption).

The second Gonzalez-Oguma fight on the other hand was a very close fight, and I highly, highly doubt you had THAT fight a shutout for Oguma.

In any case, for me, Gonzalez won the series with Oguma 3-1, though it could arguably be seen as 2-2.

 

Ill check it out it must be the 3rd fight

 

Not be much, but possibly yes. If I had a true P4P top 50 I'm sure they'd only be 4 or 5 places between them at most. Sanchez is ranked somewhat as an enigma, unfortunately for him he never got to display his vast talent in regards to longetivity.

 

I think Hearns has the best wins with, great 1s like Leonard 2, Duran, Benitez, Hill, Cuevas and good 1s like Shields, Espada, Andrade, DeWitt. Plus his performances and ability are sensational if only he had a great chin he'd be near unbeatable

 

Inconsistent would be about the last word I'd use to describe Canto.

 

I don't even think the case can be made for Sanchez, to be honest. Not only was Ortiz far more accomplished, but I think he was out and out the better fighter. Not by a large margin, as Sanchez was obviously a great fighter in his own right, but Ortiz is one of the quintessential boxer-punchers in the history of the sport for my money. He could do it all.