Rank these attributes in order of their importance to greatness

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Generally speaking, how would you rank these traits in terms of their importance to boxers' chances of achieving greatness?

    -punching power
    -handspeed
    -mobility/footwork
    -punching precision and accuracy
    -durability and chin
    -defensive abilities (reflexes and technique)
    -mental toughness/heart
    -professionalism and consistency
    -Ring IQ and the ability to adapt on the fly
    -luck/chance
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not sure this can truly be done but....

    8 -punching power
    7 -handspeed
    3- mobility/footwork
    4 -punching precision and accuracy
    5 -durability and chin
    2 -defensive abilities (reflexes and technique)
    6 -mental toughness
    9 -professionalism and consistency
    1 -Ring IQ and the ability to adapt on the fly
    N/A -luck/chance
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good answers. Thanks for taking a crack at this!
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    To be truly great? It depends on the fighter, but I'll try and sort them.

    1. mental toughness
    2. Ring IQ and the ability to adapt on the fly
    3.durability and chin
    4.mobility/footwork
    5.punching precision and accuracy
    6.defensive abilities (reflexes and technique)
    7.punching power
    8.handspeed
    9.professionalism and consistency
    10. luck/chance

    Note that I'm think from purely a H2H viewpoint. If resume and era was considered, luck /chance and consistency would be much higher, as luck influences the opponents you may meet, and consistency is more obvious through retrospect, which is why you cannot judge a fighter till his career is over. I assume you judge both mostly equally?

    Some fighters were absolutely great without some of these things on the list, mainly power. However, no fighter was great without mental strength.
     
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    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Also, great thread. Very interesting to think about in an otherwise individualistic sport.
     
  6. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm slightly confused on why defense abilities has (reflexes and technique) next to it... but there is no place for offensive technique or reflexes which seems as important. I get there are offensive categories like Handspeed, Punching power, Punching precision... still though I think technical prowess/reflexes, offensively, are just as important if not more so than those listed.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    1. Heart (I know it's not there but it's required)
    2. Mental Toughness
    3. Durability and Chin
    4. Footwork
    5. Hand speed
    6. Defence
    7. Punch accuracy
    8. Punch Power
    9. Professionalism

    I replaced Luck with Heart as it's neither are really a skilled but one is a must and the other is well luck
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good point. I thought about using offensive skills and technique but I ended up punting on that because there’s so little consensus about what that even means (some posters seem to think that even the crudest heavyweight champions had excellent offensive technique).
     
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    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I guess I see heart as overlapping with mental toughness. Both seem to revolve around how people perform while dealing with pressure and adversity.
     
  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Yeah Fair enough, I always linked heart as an in ring quality, like can you get up after Tyson's just knocked you down, and always linked Metal Toughness as an out of ring quality, like being scared if him
     
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    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair enough. Though we should all KNOW what the hell technical ability means, when people aren't being disingenuous that is.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    1. Ring IQ and the ability to adapt on the fly
    2. professionalism and consistency
    3. mental toughness
    4. punching precision and accuracy
    5. durability and chin
    I think these can be workable in any combination, as long as there's enough overal.
    punching power
    handspeed
    mobility/footwork
    defensive abilities (reflexes and technique)

    And lastly
    luck/chance
     
  13. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Durability and chin
    Mental toughness
    Ring iq (and a good corner)
    Power
    Accuracy
    Foot work
    Speed
    Defense
    Professionalism
    Luck (which to me isn’t even a factor these guys work hard for results or done and have not so good results)
     
  14. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    First attribute in hindsight of greatness or H2H lvl:

    1) class.
    2) "Because he was on another level."

    Ohhhhhhhmmmmmmmm
     
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dedication and conditioning should be an entry as well.

    Find me a great fighter who didn’t have those attributes ... and that edge in conditioning (which comes from dedication) has many a time made the difference in a close fight — either finishing rounds stronger or finishing the fight stronger.