Rank these contenders H2H the night they beat ATGs

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  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Including fights where the ATG was arguably close to getting beaten.

    How good were some fighters who beat ATGs on the respective night?
    Do you think some were close to "ATG level" or equal?

    Rank these contenders on a H2H basis from best (top) to worst (bottom).

    Tunney vs. Dempsey 1
    Schmeling vs. Louis 1
    Norton vs. Ali 1
    Lyle vs. Foreman
    Young vs. Foreman
    Snipes vs. Holmes
    Witherspoon vs. Holmes
    Spinks vs. Holmes 1
    Douglas vs. Tyson
    Cooper vs. Holyfield
    Moorer vs. Holyfield 1
    McCall vs. Lewis 1
    Rahman vs. Lewis 1
    Brewster vs. Wlad 1

    If thats too many fighters, just rank the ones you like and exclude the rest or when they are close put more than one fighter on the same podium.
     
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  2. Charlietf

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    Well, cooper nothing special, he just showed that evander was not Superman and he could be hurt and even stopped by prime great hws specially before he added a lot of muscle. He took a much better shot when he weighed between 215-218 past his prime.
    Rahman the same thing... A lucky shot, he was nothing special.
    Moorer was a very good fighter.
    Mccall was decent but nothing special,a strong guy with a solid chin.
    Douglas was a good boxer but was hot and cold, Tyson was horrible that night so Douglas looked better than he actually was.
    Schmeling overrated like hell, a lot of hws would have beaten this version of him and badly.
    Tunney got even dropped by a past prime dempsey,not impressed by him at all at hw.
    Spinks was facing a Holmes in his end and still it was pretty close.
    Young was another cold and hot guy. One night could look like a master and then he could look mediocre in another fight, plus he could not break an egg.
    Norton always looked great against Ali because stylistical motives but this same version got smashed against Foreman.
    Lyle showed that he was very dangerous toe to toe for any puncher.
    I would have mentioned spoon when he fought holmes too.
     
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  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    ATGs look very vulnerable that way.
    But can you rank the boxers who made them look like that? Nothing easy I know, but I think that gives a good view of ATGs and their flaws as well, not just the (underrated)) abilities of the contenders.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Schmeling
    Norton
    Young & Witherspoon
    Douglas
    Tunney
    Spinks
    Moorer
    Rahman
    McCall
    Brewster



    I won't rate Snipes, Cooper or Lyle because they all lost (by stoppage).
     
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  5. Gazelle Punch

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    I’ll give it a go...
    Dempsey
    Schmeling
    Norton
    Spinks
    Lyle
    Moorer
    Young
    Rahman
    Douglas
    Cooper
    Witherspoon
    Brewster
    Snipes
     
  6. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Spoon would be the best h2h overall.
    The full list h2h is very hard to make because the reason that i told you before. But the best guys h2h over 200 pounds obviously are spoon,lyle,Norton,douglas,young,moorer, not in order
     
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    Witherspoon at third worst oO Behind Cooper and so far away from Spinks?
     
  8. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    This one looks bit more balanced for me.
    In fact I expected Norton to be high, but can´t see Schmeling so far ahead of Tunney.
     
  9. Gazelle Punch

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    I’m not high on spoon but to be fair they’re all pretty close in the middle
     
  10. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    I knew thats very hard to value, which was the reason to start this thread in the first place. But whats the reason for others to place spoon very high? Combination of size, power and boxing that Spinks didn´t have at HW?

    Another question would be: If all of them fought each other, who comes out top?
     
  11. 70sFan865

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    Schmeling
    Norton
    Spinks
    Douglas
    Tunney
    Young
    Moorer
    Rahman
    McCall
    Brewster

    Something like that, although it's a long list of names (I don't include fighters that lost) and I could change some places any other day.

    I'm still waiting for explaination of Walcott>Schmeling.
     
  12. Charlietf

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    Explanation? He was simply better... Much more class as fighter,harder puncher and when he was at his best he looked much greater fighter than schmeling. Don't worry, i know that you are a big fan of the german so feel free to be disagree.
    Do you want a list of fighters that i pick to beat schmeling ?
     
  13. 70sFan865

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    That's not explaination.
    What does it even mean?
    This is not backed up with anything.
    When was it exactly? When he lost to Charles 1-3 in series? When he got knocked out by worse version of Louis than Max beat? When he lost to second raters like Rex Layne or Abe Simon?
    No, I don't.
     
  14. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Is this p4p, or you´re telling me if we´d pair all of them against each other, Schmeling comes out with the highest win/lose-ratio?
    Where is Witherspoon? Over or under Michael Spinks?
     
  15. Charlietf

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    Just like schmeling lost to the tomato can jack taylor and got knocked out by gains in 2 rounds..
    Or destroyed by gipsy daniels in a single round.
    Or when he lost against hamas. Or ****ed by the crude baer.
    When walcott knocked out charles cold and he dropped Louis like a yo yo he was better than any version of schmeling.
    Don't quote me anymore for this topic i am bored