Rank these fighters in order - Arguello, Lewis, Hearns, DLH.

Oscar winning belts from sf to mw? Getting a disgusting gift decision against felix sturm is not winning a belt. That fight was even worse than the trinidad fight.

Lennox Lewis was 36 when he got ko'd by hasim rahman, how old was oscar when a former flyweight champ made him quit on his stool, 36, lol. Lennox Lewis definetly ranks above Oscar for me. De La Hoya is not a top 10 fighter of all times in any weight class. His wins pre 1997 were against guys half his size, totally meaningless to me. If Mosley or Mayweather were matched up against those midgest that oscar fought between 1993-1996, they would have beat them too.

 

DINAMITA only reverses the bad decisions that went against Oscar.

 

Oscar beat Tito 8 rounds to 4. Any sane person watching that fight with a pad and pen would judge it the same way.

Pac smashed Barrera to bits and Jones knocked him into next week. Any sane fan with eyes and a brain would see it the same way.

 

He did not deserve the Sturm decision.

However, great performances in the lightweight and lightmiddleweight divisions - that's still a staggering achievement IMO.

 

Lamentable.

Pacquiao is a million miles better than Rahman is or ever was, no matter what weight you're referring to for Pac. Pac that night at ww was a better fighter than Rahman at hw. Even suggesting otherwise is a ****ing joke.

Sturm-Oscar was a win for Sturm, but it was definitely not as clear as Tito-Oscar.

Oscar's pre-97 wins are meaningless? Congratulations, you have completely written off the career of Alexis Arguello, a 5ft 10in man like Oscar who, like Oscar, made 130 and 135 by the rules.

:good

 

The Sturm decision was a farce, but comparing Lewis getting sparked by Rahman to DLH's loss to Pac is ridiculous. DLH was a corpse the night he fought Pac. Lewis was simply an out of shape guy with the same ole average chin he brought to every fight.

As for winning against guys half his size, you could well be talking for Lennox Lewis there.

To me, Whitaker, Mosley, Trinidad, Quartey, Hopkins and Mayweather are better fighters than anyone Lewis ever got into the ring with - at the time he fought them, that is. Oscar's resume is clearly superior.

As for Oscar not being a top 10 fighter in any weight class, that hardly matters when the 135-147 divisions are so stacked. I could name twenty lightweights I'd probably have before Lewis in a p4p list.

 

Read through this thread - some of the reasoning for having Lewis easily above Oscar is bizarre.

 

I feel Lennox Lewis proved he was the greater fighter by stepping up to the plate in his biggest fights, avenging his defeats, and staying on top for a longer period of time.

Oscar lost nearly every time he stepped on the biggest stage, failed to avenge any of his defeats (including Mosley), and doesn't have the same longevity.

Lewis all the way. :good

 

Yeah I've read through it. I agree with you that people should rank fighters according to how they thought the decision came down, not whether the officials agree or not. Let the officials make their own lists.

And I'd even go further to say that you should score fights and rank fighters accordingly even if you think the decisions were controversial and not clear. E.g. I don't think there was a clear winner in DLH-Pea, but I had it for Pea by a point, and thus in my estimation he was the better man that night and I count Pea's 'victory' when ranking him as high as I do.

 

- Whitaker was past his best - very questionable decision regardless.
- Lost to Mosley twice
- Lost to Trinidad
- Beat Quartey - very questionable decision
- Lost to Hopkins by knockout
- Lost to Mayweather

It's one thing having a resume, but it's better to access who the man actually defeated. Even Emmanuel Augutus has Mayweather on his record.

 

There is no way we could ever agree on DLH and Lewis then. Perhaps if DLH had the wins against Mosley and Trinidad, I would be inclined to rate him above the likes of Lennox also. The way I see it, and how history will record it, DLH lost every time he stepped up bar Ike.

 

Noticed you didn't put down the questionability of the Trinidad and Mosley defeats. Why not?

You can't have it both ways. You can't say he won questionably and then say he lost unquestionably.

Better to go off what you think actually went down. For me, he beat Tito and Mosley in the rematch, drew with Quartey and lost to Pea by a point. He basically did no worse than hold his own with all those guys. I even felt he held his own against Mayweather.

Pernell Whitaker more so, the night he fought DLH was a much better fighter than Evander Holyfield the nights he faced Lewis. Clearly for me, despite the fact that he was past his best.

 

He beat Whitaker too. And if you are a fan of the history books, it will show that Whitaker was unbeaten for near a decade and was the no.3 p4p at the time. What does Lewis have that compares with that?

 

:yep Point taken.

I'm just taking a win as a win and a loss as a loss. The manner of the victory doesn't effect my rating here.

Oscar De La Hoya held his own in many divisions, beating a crop of contenders, but ultimately falling short when he came up against the top dog. Lennox Lewis, being a Heavyweight, stayed in one division and was clearly the best for a decade. The 90s is an underrated era for the Heavies.

They were both past their best. We can debate on who had more left, but Holyfield should have been crowned Heavyweight champion not long ago when he fought Valuev. Holyfield was an able fighter when Lennox defeated him.

If we are judging each fighter on who they fought then there would be no arguements as to who would be ranked higher. Lord knows, if that was the critiera, Oscar would be number one out of all four candidates here. The fact is, for all of the great fighters Oscar ran into, he lost more often than not.

He fought Mosley x2, Trinidad, Mayweather, Quartey, and Hopkins. They were arguably the best 5 opponents he fought.

He went 1-5. :verysad

 

I'm not a big fan of the history books, but history will rightly record DLH as being a great fighter that came up short against his greatest opposition.

History will record Lennox Lewis as the greatest Heavyweight of his era, who beat every single opponent he ever faced as professional.

Whitaker? There's a reason not many people mention this as a great win for DLH.