Rank these Fighters in terms of Punch Power

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  1. Review

    Review Member Full Member

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    Hey guys. I have been browsing the forum for awhile now. Out of all the forums I have visited it seems like you are the most knowledgeable bunch around. Anyways, I'm working on special boxing project with a relative of mine that lives in L.A. Can't say what it is. I just want to get more opinions/views.

    Welterweights in their Prime

    My current list looks like this:

    1) Thomas Hearns
    2) Felix Trinindad
    3) Pipino Cuevas
    4) Sugar Ray Robinson
    5) Sugar Ray Leonard
    6) Henry Armstrong
    7) Roberto Duran
    8) Shane Mosley
    9) Julio Cesar Chavez
    10) Oscar Dela Hoya
     
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  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Welcome to the forum.

    Are you asking specifically those 10 fighters or just the top 10 Welterweight hitters of all time? If it's the latter, I'd bump a few names off there, and definitely throw in guys like Barbados Joe Walcott & Charley Burley.

    If not, just to rank those 10 in order of pure power, I'd go:

    1. Thomas Hearns
    2. Pipino Cuevas
    3. Ray Robinson
    4. Felix Trinidad
    5. Ray Leonard
    6. Shane Mosley
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Oscar De La Hoya
    9. Henry Armstrong
    10. Julio Cesar Chavez
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think that's pretty good. I'd have Duran below Mosley though, maybe Leonard and Armstrong should be switched.
     
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  4. Review

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    @: the cobra

    I was asking specifically about these 10 fighters. That said, who would you bump off the list if you were to insert Walcott and Burley?
     
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  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Namely Chavez and probably Armstrong as well, neither of whom were natural Welterweights. The more he moved up in weight, the more Hank was a wear-you-down kind of puncher I think. Still probably on par with the likes of Duran and DLH though.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Here is a list of guys Armstrong stopped in the first half of welterweight title fights:

    Phil Furr (4)
    Lew Jenkins (6)
    Paul Junior (3)
    Ralph Zanelli (5)
    Paul Junior (7)
    Joe Ghnourly (5)
    Jimmy Garrison (7)
    Bobby Pacho (4)
    Richie Fontane (3)
    Howard Scott (2)
    Al Manfredo (3)

    And here's a list of guys that managed to make it to the final bell in welterweight title fights:

    Barney Ross
    Ceferino Garcia
    Arizmendi (10)
    Ernie Roderick
    Jimmy Garrison (10)
    Fritzie Zivic


    '39-'40 he stopped nine challengers in a row.

    He was an absolute beast of a puncher as a welterweight, he wiped loads of guys out.
     
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  7. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Jenkins, Arizmendi, Fontaine, Ghnouly, Junior, Garrison, Scott, etc, were all smaller guys around Armstrong's own size, more natural Lightweights than Welterweights, and at least a few were in the final stages of their careers.

    I'm not denying his power. I'm saying it's more on par with the likes of Duran and DLH (both of whom I'd expect to stop most of the same guys as Armstrong) than it is with Walcott or Burley, which means he'd be one of the few susceptible to getting bumped off to make room if the list took them into account.
     
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  8. Review

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    @: everyone who posted. Many Thanks! You guys are helping us create an accurate fighter database.

    I hope you don't mind critquing my other lists. I've watched tons of fights and film but there is always a chance I could have missed something. Comments and suggestions are welcome.

    Heayweights

    1) George Foreman
    2) Earnie Shavers
    3) Sonny Liston
    4) Mike Tyson
    5) Wlad K.
    6) Lennox Lewis
    7) Joe Louis
    8) Jack Dempsey
    9) Rocky Marciano
    10) Razor Ruddock

    Light Heavyweights

    1) Bob Foster
    2) Sam Langford
    3) Michael Spinks
    4) Archie Moore
    5) Roy Jones Jr.
    6) Bob Fitzsimmons
    7) Matthew Saad Muhammad
    8) Ezzard Charles
    9) Tiger Jack Fox
    10) ?

    Middleweights

    1) Julian Jackson
    2) Gerald McClellan
    3) Thomas Hearns
    4) Nigel Benn
    5) Roy Jones Jr.
    6) Ray Robinson
    7) Archie Moore
    8) Mike McCallum
    9) Marvin Hagler
    10) Rocky Graziano

    Lightweights

    1) Edwin Rosario
    2) Alexis Arguello
    3) Ike Williams
    4) Roberto Duran
    5) Joe Gans
    6) Henry Armstrong
    7) Kostya Tszyu
    8) Shane Mosley
    9) Edwin Valero
    10) Oscar Dela Hoya

    Featherweights

    1) Naseem Hamed
    2) Wilfredo Gomez
    3) Alexis Arguello
    4) Danny Lopez
    5) Henry Armstrong
    6) Manny Pacquiao
    7) Yuriorkis Gamboa
    8) Sandy Saddler
    9) Salvador Sanchez
    10) Erik Morales
     
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  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hearns and Cuevas are pretty much even on a power basis,..Hearns was just more effective in the delivery of his power on the hapless Mexican. Neither one compares on a true "single punch" basis with Julian Jackson.
     
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  10. masterold

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    Mosley's power has been overrated ever since he stopped Margarito.
     
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  11. Review

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    To be honest, we orginally had Jackson at the number 1 position for middleweights. Might move him back there if that is the opinion of the majority. However, even when he was number 1 he was still coming up short against Gerald in our computer simulations, mainly because of Gerald`s iron chin and toughness.
     
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  12. Philly-Tough

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    What weight Oscar are we talking? Oscar at superfeather and lightweight could knock down walls. Not that his huge size and weight advantage helped...
     
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  13. Review

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    Lightweight and Welterweight. We currently have him in the number 10 spot at lightweight. Would you move him above Valero and have him on par or ahead of Mosley?
     
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  14. Review

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    Anyone have names to throw in for the 9 and 10 Light Heavy spots?
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Barbados joe definitely should be in at ww. Maybe mayorga also.

    Wlad should be top 5 at hw for me.

    Lhw get langford and choynski in there
     
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