Rank these guys in terms of ability... HOPKINS, DLH, LOPEZ, MARQUEZ ?

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    For me, its close between all 4 but I can separate them.....

    I feel it goes like this.....

    Ricardo Lopez
    Bernard Hopkins
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Oscar De la hoya

    :think
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    In terms of ability at doing boxing i'd go -

    Hopkins
    Marquez
    Lopez
    Oscar

    But I wouldn't be upset at anyone who wanted to switch Lopez and Oscar.
     
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  3. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I'd probably say the same, with the top three being interchangeable, but more likely just the top two. Marquez in terms of effectiveness might very well be number one, proven at a very high level of competetiveness in my view (depends on how you scored his close ones). The level of competition might play a role in your decision though.
     
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  4. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    overall ability includes heart

    lopez
    hopkins
    marquez


    dela hoya
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think the idea that Lopez had more boxing ability than Hopkins is close to indefensible actually.
     
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  6. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Hopkins is the master at controlling pace.
     
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  7. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    1.Hopkins



    2.Marquez
    3.Lopez
    4.De La Hoya
     
    DINAMITA, Jul 28, 2009
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  8. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    hopkins lost twice to taylor...if you have great ability, you must find a way to beat a guy that would be ranked 400 spots lower than you in the all-time rankings. The odds in both fights were close
     
    asero, Jul 28, 2009
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  9. masterold

    masterold Active Member Full Member

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    What about Marquez losing to Norwood/ John?
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    And distance, and he's the quickest guy i've ever seen at switching from offence to defence...meahwhile Lopez isn't even confirmed at doing boxing at the most intimate distancves...basically, Hopkins has shown far more ability. Lopez has proven himself to be close to perfect in executing the things he mastered, but that's a different question.

    I agree with Dinimata that there is serious distance between Hopkins and Lopez as regards this question, though I wouldn't put him a full class above Marquez.
     
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  11. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    he only lost once to norwood and once to john. Had there been a rematch, JMM would find a way to win
     
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  12. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I agree as well, and with you. On the point of Hopkins switching between offense and defence, i just thought his defence was ever present, even during his offensive operations. Never exposed his chin was (obviously some smart arse will point out that it was, but you understand my meaning in the grand scheme of things).

    Also, i'd like to point out (even if it was light heavy Calzaghe), that Hopkins is the only man to ever control the pace against Joe Calzaghe for any sustained period of time, try that for ring generalship. He was actually schooling him at points in my opinion.
     
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  13. masterold

    masterold Active Member Full Member

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    fair point, although Hopkins was already 40+ at the time.
     
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  14. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I thought Hopkins beat John personally.
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He did do things like that, but going a bit futher he was very quick to establish range, even when he had a man hurt on the ropes, and he was also uncannily god at having his hands in the correct position for defence immediatly after an attack, should he be called upon to do so. He responded to his opponents in these circumstances.

    I had to Joe by a single point.
     
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