Rank These HW in terms of Functional boxing strength

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4s3sZhpW4

not gay....

 

I don't know what was worse that bloody music, or the posed sequences.Pity they can't give him an exercise to strengthen his chin.

 

Funny.

 

Please quote me in context for a change with what you said before.

You put some measurement of Holmes into the equation. So I showed you Jeffries tape measurements. Then you turned a 26" into a 25 " for some reason...

Yes, I believe there is a correlation in terms of strength and tape measurements in the upper and lower body.

In Jeffries case, he might have the biggest expanded chest ( over 48" ) of all time, and his legs and calf measured when he was a trim 215-220 pounds at 26" at the thigh and 17" at the calf also rate among the biggest in division history.

I gave you references in fights where Jeffries picked up men, or shook them. Then outflanked again you “ Re-set “ the qualifications by saying who his size of 220 pounds, which pretty much DQ's all the fighters the OP mentioned!

If you look at photos you can see Jeffries was built for raw power. He was a very thick man with large bones and muscles.

It's a given you have a hard problem accepting information when it comes to certain fighters. Why not ask Adam? He'll tell you.

 

klompton2 wrote:
I dont necessarily disagree. Im just questioning whether Jeffries didnt exhibit it (film is limited on him) and whether his style was even geared toward demonstrating it. I have no reason to doubt he was enormously strong. The man was a horse and accustomed to hard physical labor all of his life, that doesnt breed weaklings. Anecdotal accounts, for whatever they are worth, suggest he was very strong. Etc etc.

This is why it’s hard to have a level conversation with you. You fail to acknowledge given points ( Data, or film ) and your math and numbers are all over the place, and often mistaken. I have seen both in this thread. You'd be a much better poster if you'd stop with the above.

Jeffries chest is 48.5", sometimes reported even larger. Sullivan’s chest was 46"

Since when is 48.5" or greater the same size as 46":deal

http://www.strengthfighter.com/2014/04/john-l-sullivan.html

http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/sullivan/3030/

Jeffries trained down to get to 215-220. If he was around today, I could easily see 230, which is hardly too small or light.

His main issue would be a 76.5" reach which is slightly longer than average today. However Jeffries had type of style that suited fighters without a long reach, as he was a excellent body puncher and often came in low.

 

For once Mendoza has a point and its not on top of his head this time. Old timers like Jeffries and Baer (who are being called small today) trained down to their fighting weights. When was the last time you saw a HW today train down to a fight weight. Its part of the problem with modern HW boxing. Had Hasim Rahman trained down to his best shape he would have probably weighed 220. Had Lennox Lewis not taken steroids he would have weighed around 220. Had Evander not taken steroids he would have weighed about 190 max. There are other reasons why guys like Baer and Jeffries weighed less than fighters today. It always irks me when people act like evolution can take its course over a century and suddenly human beings are naturally bigger, stronger, faster. I didnt need four years of college and numerous biological anthropology courses to tell me that evolution simply does not work that fast. Yes diet plays a roll but go back and look at growth statistics over time and you will see that whats happened in the HW division far outpaces any normal growth statistical incline and surprise surprise coincides with the steroid era.

That being said some of the examples of what functional strength are just dont jive with me. Like Dempsey picking up Firpo (which I dont even recall offhand) etc. Quarry picked up Ali who was as big or bigger than Firpo. Big deal, ever see Quarry's performance in battle of the network stars? He was weak as ****. Ive got stronger lifts than him and Im not a professional athlete or as big as he is. So what exactly are we talking about? Shane Moseley was supposedly enormously strong at 147 but he wasnt someone that I would think of being enormously strong in the ring. I just dont know what we are getting with this discussion other than we all agree that Foreman was freakishly strong. That only takes you so far as Ali, Young, and Peralta to a degree showed by using brains against brawn.

 

Vitali's chin needed exercise?

 

I specifically said the Jeffries of that day I dont do hypothetical what he might have beens
Baer today, at 6'2" 210lbs would be a small heavyweight.
Champ
Wlad 6'6" 247lbs
Povetkin6'2" 232lbs
Wilder 6'7" 229lbs
Fury 6'9" 250lbs
Pulev 6'4.5" 245lbs
Jennings 6'3" 239lbs
Stiverne 6'2" 239lbs
Glazkov 6'3" 220lbs
Perez 6'1"220lbs
Chagaev 6'246lbs
Thompson 6'5"266lbs

Jeffries was 6'0" tall and under 220lbs for all his major fights as champion.
Fitz 1.= 206lbs
Corbett 1. =218lbs
Ruhlin2. =218lbs
Fitz 2. =219lbs
Corbett 2. =210lbs
Sharkey 2.=215lbs



Dempsey can be seen picking up the prone Firpo as though he was nothing ,did you think I made it up?
Who says Lewis took steroids, proof please?

I'm not going to engage with Mendoza I couldn't give a rats ar*e what he says or thinks.

 

The collective argument against Jeffries here, seems to alternate between:

"What is claimed for him is not particularly impressive."

And:

"What is claimed for him is so extreme, that it must have been made up".

These are contradictory positions.

 

For a guy who says he doesn't care what I say you sure reply to many of my posts....

Jeffries if he was standing next to Glazkov or Perez who you listed would look bigger and once fought at 240 pounds in his prime.

FYI, Sometimes I'm really not talking to you, just correcting errors for others to read incase they don't know or don't have the time to research it themselves.

I have a very important question for you. I'd appreciate an answer.

Can you list a size and weight that would be need to compete today at heavyweight?

 

Why would a janitor be expected to be computer literate?

I can disassemble a Vileda mop, what more do you want?