Rank these "Top 5 Defeated Opponents" by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis in overall H2H order

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  1. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    This should be a fun little task. Included are my opinion of the top 5 opponents beaten (H2H terms) by Ali, Holyfield & Lewis. These 5 opponents for each are not in any order. Your task is to combine the 3 lists of 5, to create a ranked H2H list of 15. Make sure you think in regards to the specific versions of fighters listed in brackets, when creating your list. I hope to see lots of differing opinions. I will do my list later.

    Norton ('73 Ali II)
    Frazier ('74 Ali II)
    Foreman ('74 Ali)
    Frazier ('75 Ali III)
    Liston ('64 Ali I)

    Mercer ('95 Holy)
    Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
    Bowe ('93 Holy II)
    Tyson ('96 Holy I)
    Old Holmes ('92 Holy)

    Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
    Bruno ('93 Lewis)
    Vitali ('03 Lewis)
    Mercer ('96 Lewis)
    Rahman ('01 Lewis II)


    Note: Your task is to combine the 3 unordered lists of 5, to create a ranked H2H list of 15.

    Note 2: Liston ('65 Ali II) & Tyson ('97 Holy II) are not included for obvious reasons.
     
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  2. junior-soprano

    junior-soprano Active Member Full Member

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    maybe i am a bit dumb but i don't understand the task as you call it.
    but............ if i have to say wich list qualifies as best/better/tougher opponents then ali's list comes first then a long time nothing and lewis an holy are close but i give the edge to holyfield a small edge though
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    1. Liston ('64 Ali I)
    2. Foreman ('74 Ali)
    3. = Frazier ('74 Ali II)
    Frazier ('75 Ali III)

    5. Bowe ('93 Holy II)
    6. Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
    7. Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
    8. Tyson ('96 Holy I)
    9. Norton ('73 Ali II)
    10. Vitali ('03 Lewis)
    11. Old Holmes ('92 Holy)
    12. Bruno ('93 Lewis)
    13. Mercer ('95 Holy)
    14. Mercer ('96 Lewis)
    15. Rahman ('01 Lewis II)
     
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  4. the cobra

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    1. '64 Liston (Ali)
    2. '93 Bowe (Holyfield)
    3. '74 Foreman (Ali)
    4. '96 Tyson (Holyfield)
    5. '74 Frazier (Ali)
    6. '03 Vitali (Lewis)
    7. Old Foreman (Holyfield)
    8. Old Holyfield (Lewis)
    9. '74 Norton (Ali)
    10. Old Holmes (Holyfield)
    11. '75 Frazier (Ali)
    12. '93 Bruno (Lewis)
    13. '95 Mercer (Holyfield)
    14. '96 Mercer (Lewis)
    15. '01 Rahman (Lewis)
     
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  5. The Mongoose

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    Top Tier:
    Frazier ('75 Ali III)-despite his limitations, never saw a man fight harder in the ring.
    Liston ('64 Ali I)
    Foreman ('74 Ali)

    Second Tier:
    Tyson ('96 Holy I)
    Vitali ('03 Lewis)-really want to put these two in the upper tier but....eh.

    Norton ('73 Ali II)
    Frazier ('74 Ali II)-his heart wasn't in this one.
    Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
    Bowe ('93 Holy II)

    Bottom Tier:

    Old Holmes ('92 Holy)
    Mercer ('95 Holy)-Mercer's best night by far.
    Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
    Rahman ('01 Lewis II)
    Mercer ('96 Lewis)
    Bruno ('93 Lewis)
     
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  6. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    V.good topic idea. :thumbsup:thumbsup

    1. Foreman ('74 Ali)
    2. Bowe ('93 Holy II)
    3. Old Foreman ('91 Holy)
    4. Frazier ('74 Ali II)
    5. Frazier ('75 Ali III)

    6. Vitali ('03 Lewis)
    7. Liston ('64 Ali I)
    8. Tyson ('96 Holy I)
    9. Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
    10. Norton ('73 Ali II)

    11. Bruno ('93 Lewis)
    12. Mercer ('96 Lewis)
    13. Mercer ('95 Holy)
    14. Rahman ('01 Lewis II)
    15. Old Holmes ('92 Holy)
     
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  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I dont think Lewis is that close to Holys myself, but yes Ali should be first
     
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  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Based on the list, and initial impression....

    01. 74 Foreman (Ali)
    02. 64 Liston (Ali)
    03. 93 Bowe (Holy)
    04. 03 Vitali (Lewis)
    05. 99 Holyfield (Lewis)
    06. 96 Tyson (Holy)
    07. 74 Frazier (Ali)
    08. 73 Norton (Ali)
    09. 75 Frazier (Ali)
    10. 92 Holmes (Holy)
    11. 91 Foreman (Holy)
    12. 95 Mercer (Holy)
    13. 93 Bruno (Lewis)
    14. 96 Mercer (Lewis)
    15. 01 Rahman(Lewis)
     
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  9. quarry

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    Foreman (74 Ali)
    Frazier (74 Ali)
    Frazier (75 Ali)
    Liston (64 Ali)
    Norton (73 Ali)
    Bowe (93 Holy)
    Old Foreman (91 Holy)
    Old Holmes (92 Holy)
    Tyson (96 Holy)
    Vitali (03 Lewis)
    Mercer (95 Holy)
    Bruno (93 Lewis)
    Mercer (95 Lewis)
    Old Holyfield (99 Lewis )
    Rahman (01 Lewis)
     
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  10. downgoesfrazier

    downgoesfrazier Guest

    foreman was much better victory than liston, ali was in his prime when he did beat a past prime liston, ali was past his prime when he did beat peak foreman.
     
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  11. Unforgiven

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    Yes, but I think Liston '64 was a better fighter than Foreman '74.
     
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  12. downgoesfrazier

    downgoesfrazier Guest

    i hope you are joking...
     
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  13. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Yes they are meant to be (my opinion of) the top 5 wins of each in "H2H terms" for the particular version of the fighter they defeated.

    I understand there is a big difficulty picking the top 5 for Lewis... because Hasim Rahman could easily be substituted for Andrew Golota, Tony Tucker, David Tua, Shannon Briggs, Razor Ruddock, Oliver McCall or Tommy Morrison.
     
    Kalasinn, May 13, 2011
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  14. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    My Ranking:

    1. Bowe ('93 Holy II)
    2. Foreman ('74 Ali)
    3. Tyson ('96 Holy I)
    4. Vitali ('03 Lewis)
    5. Old Foreman ('91 Holy)

    6. Frazier ('75 Ali III)
    7. Old Holyfield ('99 Lewis II)
    8. Liston ('64 Ali I)
    9. Frazier ('74 Ali II)
    10. Norton ('73 Ali II)
    11. Old Holmes ('92 Holy)
    12. Mercer ('96 Lewis) =
    12. Mercer ('95 Holy) =
    14. Bruno ('93 Lewis)
    15. Rahman ('01 Lewis II)


    Note: My list might get updated at some point, due to the challenging nature of doing this tight ranking.
     
    Kalasinn, May 13, 2011
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  15. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just out of curiosity why do you rate 75 Frazier higher than 74 Frazier, and to a lesser degree 96 Mercer higher than 95 Mercer?
     
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