Rank these top brits

No way, Jose

 

but hatton isn't struggling like crazy to do 140.

unless u include sweating the booze out of his system. :yep

hatton would outwork eubank and watson.

i think hatton has more punches in his armoury than benn.

picks em out better.

benn struggled to get thru sometimes in fights.

hatton rarely has that problem.

 

Outwork Benn and Watson? Hatton doesn't even throw that many punches to outwork anybody. He jumps in, wrestles and then tries to work.

Every time he tries this an awkward and proficient counterpuncher that is smart like Eubank would ping his ugly looking head

You are insane.

 

And more punches than Benn :rofl

Please tell me about his vast array of punches. He does not own a jab. He never throws a straight punch. All of his damn punches are hooks. Benn had every punch in the book when he wanted, and they were all vicious.

 

Hatton has a straight right

 

have u seen a lot of benn's fights.

i got nearly all of em.

he struggles like mad to get off against guys like gimenez, galvano, malinga, morgan, eubank 2.

hatton is much better at picking em out.

he's never had problems getting thru.

except in the mayweather fight.

 

this is a silly argument.

eubank, watson and benn weren't 140 pounders.

so were whistling in the wind really. :roll:

 

Resume
Lennox Lewis
Nigel Benn
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Chris Eubank
Naseem Hamed



There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Tszyue was Way past it. He was in his mid 30's, and pretty inactive during this period - that is all one can say.

In fact the few fights he did have around this time show that he was better then he ever was. By all means show me the fights where he was picking up loses or in decline - and I will listen. You wont find them because he was not losing or fighting badly.

Yes it was messy, rough house, and an awful lot of clinching (too much in fact) - but rules are rules, and officially he didn't break them.

He didn't just beat Tsyzue as well - he made him quit on his stool - that counts for something as well.

Hatton got Ring fighter of the year for that match, and sits with some very esteemed company only ever to win it.

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Like it or not Hattons win over Tzyue is the best win there alongside Benns win over McClellan. Those wins count for an awful lot.

Achievement wise Hatton could be in the top three, imo.

Eubank played the WBO game when it was pretty much seen as a total joke and worthless - he also refused to travel, never unified etc. He was very open about not wanting to take on the likes of Toney etc. Hatton picked up belts, unified, and has been the top man at 140 for a long time - beating the former main man HOF'er to get that acclaim.

Hatton is a bit thin on the ground in depth of real quality opponents though, so that is why I put him at the bottom just above Eubank, and Hamed. I think his overall package edges him above those two. I don't think Hamed or Eubank have enough to put them above Hatton on resume and achievements - but a case could be made for either (as has)- Hattons place there is not indisputable.

Opponent wise I think Benn's resume is perhaps better then Calzaghes - but if you beef up the Hopkins win that may change things. Calzaghes achievements perhaps out-weight Benns though - but unlike Benn, Joe was largely unwilling to Travel (Hopkins fight excluded). Benn must get credit for going Stateside early, and taking on the top men in their own backyard - it adds more to those wins on his resume (he deserves a nod for that).

 

Benns resume being close to Calzaghe shouldnt even be an argument. I love Benn but he wasnt in the same class as Joe. Benn failed his first test against Watson...and his 2nd big test against Eubank...not to mention the 3 losses at the end of his career.

You actually need to beat the names on your resume.

I dont think Calzaghe gets enough credit for being undefeated.

 

It is at least worthy of debate - to say it's not even an argument is folly.

Benn.........Calzaghe
McClellan - Kessler
Dewitt - Hopkins
Iran Barkley - Jeff Lacy
Eubank (prime, draw/win) - Eubank (somewhat past prime)

 

But shouldnt a resume alse take into account defeats?

McClellan was a big name win, but for me its somewhat tainted because Gerald lost due to an injury thanks to a clash of heads ( he would have won otherwise imo).

Barkley was never that good...besides ko'ing an old Hearns. Although its possibly a fair comparison to Lacy.

For me McClellan, Dewitt, Barkley, and a draw with eubank doesnt quite match up with Calzaghe.

 

Iran Barkley beat Hearns twice (ok perhaps not the best version - but it's one who went on to draw against Sugar Ray Leonard). Barkley picked up the WBC middleweight title, the IBF super-middleweight title, and the WBA light-heavyweight title in his time. Thats a tad better then what Lacy, or pushing it, even Kessler ever did so far.

I agree though that the loses, and Benn's inconsistency do count against him - he could be eratic sometimes. Having said that he has a win better than anything on Joes resume and he perhaps comes off the better when comparing both their top 5 best wins...

Benn.........Calzaghe
McClellan - Kessler
Dewitt - Hopkins
Iran Barkley - Jeff Lacy
Eubank (prime, draw/win) - Eubank (somewhat past prime)
Malinga - Reid

Where you place them in relation to each other also boils down to, the above wins, Benns loses, and how much credit you give Joe for his WBO - largely domestic fought - unbeaten run. And also how much credit you give to Benn for going stateside early, and fighting there.

 

The McClellan win will always sit weird with me and im sure many others. Benn was beat up that night and was never the same after.

We need to wait and see what Kessler does.

Barkley had a journeymans record really...he somehow had hearns number but lost every title he earned in his very next fight. Prime confident swinging Lacy would have beaten him.

Dewitt doesnt compare to Hopkins. I dont care if Hopkins was old...all Bernards defining wins came when he was 'old'.

I think alot depends on how you rate Joe's unbeaten run and the level hes managed to maintain at the ripe age of 36.

 

Benn was obviously far past his best when he picked up the loses at the end of his career.