Rank these top brits

Resume

Lewis
Benn
Hatton
Calzaghe
Eubank
Hamed

Overall Talent


Calzaghe
Eubank
Benn
Lewis
Hamed
Hatton

Legacy

Need to wait for the retirements of Calzaghe & Hatton first!

 

Being undefeated is overrated.

Could you really suggest that if say, Andre Berto got to 45-0 and called it a day, he would be rated higher than the likes of Oscar De La Hoya or Shane Mosley on that basis??

Jeff did a really good post on this about a month ago :deal

 

How do you get Eubanks resume above Benn's? Is it because Eubank beat him, then arguable lost in a draw? There are also a number of controversial wins on Chris' resume.

I can't come up with 5 wins from Eubank that rates above these?

McClellan
Dewitt
Iran Barkley
Eubank (draw/win)
Malinga

Achievement wise Benn also held the far more prestigious belts, and went Stateside as well.

 

CV

Lewis
Benn
Hatton (currently)
Hamed
Calzaghe (currently)
Eubank

Talent

Hamed
Calzaghe
Lewis
Benn
Eubank
Hatton


Legacy

Lewis
Hatton (currently)
Benn
Hamed
Calzaghe (currently)
Eubank

 

Comon Dewitt was old and never a great fighter...same with Barkley and Malinga. And a Draw with eubank shouldnt even count. That only leaves a fight with McClellan that ruined both their careers (after Gerald quit with injury).

I find it shocking that people can list Benn's resume above Calzaghes.

Benn

Defeats to Watson & Eubank
wins - McClellan, Dewitt, Barkley, Malinga

Calzaghe
wins - Hopkins, Kessler, Eubank, Lacy

You could put Dewitt, Barkley and Milinga on par with the likes of Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Reid.

 

There just seems to be alot of 90s nostalgia in this thread for some people.

Maybe in 10 years time Calzaghe will get the respect he deserves...because his skill, resume and legacy are all superior to Hatton, Benn and Naz.

 

Benn's only real defeats are to a prime Eubank, and Watson. Both who on their best day could possibly add a defeat to Joe's resume. It is disputable that Joe has never beat anyone as good as those two.

 

Err.. no. They are certainly not top, top draw - but generally they have a bit more to their legacy then the likes of Woodhall, Reid, Brewer etc.

 

And you're defending Joe's resume?

 

watson was a better boxer then eubank and benn, there i said it

 

I think it does mean something but it definitely is not the be all and end all. All these guys retired undefeated "champions".

Michael Loewe - WBO Welterweight Champion - 28 (10) - 0(0) - 0
Ji Won Kim - IBF Super Bantamweight Champion - 16 (7) - 0 (0) - 2
Jimmy Barry - World Paperweight Champion (110lbs) - 58 (38) - 0 (0) - 10
Terry Marsh - IBF Light Welterweight Champion - 26 (10) - 0 (0) - 1
Benjamin Brain - English Bareknuckle Heavyweight Champion - (7-0-1)
Tom Chandler - Middleweight Bareknuckle Champion - (3-0-1)
William "Nobby" Clark - Featherweight Bareknuckle Champion - (2-0-0)
Jim Dunne - Welterweight Bare Knuckle Champion - (2-0-0)
Paddy Monaghan-Bare Knuckle Boxing m/weight World Champion 114-0-0
Jack "Duggan" Fearns - English Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion - (1-0-0)
Samson Dutch Boy Gym - WBF Super Flyweight Champion - 43 (36) - 0(0) - 0
Owney Geoghegan - American Lightweight Bareknuckle Champion - (11-0-1)
Jack Harris - English Heavyweight Claimant BareknuckleChampion
Jemal Hinton - WBC Continental Americas Super Bantamweight Campion - 22 (17) - 0 (0) - 0
Jacob Hyer - Bare Knuckle American Heavyweight Champion - (1-0-0)
Tom Hyer - Bare Knuckle American Heavyweight Champion - (2-0-0)
Ike Ibeabuchi - WBC International Heavyweight Champion - 20 (15) - 0(0) - 0
Ricardo Lopez - IBF Light Flyweight Champion - 51 (38) - 0 (0) - 1
Tom Lyons - Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion (1-0-0)
Rocky Marciano - World Heavyweight Champion - 49 (43) - 0(0) - 0

Floyd Mayweather Jr. - WBC Super Featherweight, WBC Lightweight Champion, WBC Light Welterweight Champion, IBF Welterweight Champion, WBC Welterweight Champion & WBC Light Middleweight Champion - 39 (25) - 0- 0
Jack McAuliffe - World Lightweight Champion - 34 (23) - 0 (0) - 5
Young Mitchell - American Featherweight, Australian Lightweight,PC Welterweight, and PC Middleweight Claimant - 35-0-6 (BoxRec only has 5-0-4)
Edson Pedro Nascimento - UBC Ibero-American Lightweight Champion - 47 (40) - 0(0) - 1
Horace Notice - Commonwealth (BE) Heavyweight Belt-holder - 16 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
Sven Ottke - WBA & IBF Super Middleweight Champion - 34 (6) - 0 (0) - 0
Laszlo Papp - EBU (European) Middleweight Champion - 27 (15) - 0 (0) - 2
Henry Pearce - Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion - (7-0-0)
Jack Randall - Lightweight Bareknuckle Champion - (16-0-1)
Young Dutch Sam - Welterweight Bareknuckle Champion - (11-0-0) ????????
Pichit Sitbangprachan IBF Flyweight Champion 24(18) - 0 (0) - 0
Mzukisi Skweyiya - South African Non-White Bantamweight Champion - 21 (7) - 0 (0) - 1


Some sources have Joe Coburn - Bare Knuckle Heavyweight Champion, BUT he was beaten twice during his career.
Here's some others that were Undefeated but not "champs" at the time:
Kirk Daley - (1988-1994) Former Jr. Middleweight Contender - 19 (18) - 0 (0) - 0
Scott Daley - (1986-1998) Former Middleweight Contender - 24 (24) - 0(0) - 0
George Kandelaki - (1998-2003) Former Heavyweight Contender - 24 (18) - 0 (0) - 0
Vinny Letizia - (1990-1993) Former Welterweight Contender 16 (14) - 0(0) - 1
Tom Gleason - (1890-1896) Middleweight Champion of North & South Dakota, & Montana - 6-0-3 (2 ND)
Niels H Madsen - (1990-1992) Former Cruiserweight 8(4) - 0 (0) - 0
Agustin Senin - (1967-1972) Spanish & EBU (European) Bantamweight Champion - 42 (21) - 0 (0) - 1
Gurcharan Singh (2001-2004) Former Cruiserweight 17 (10) - 0(0) - 0
Jimmy Wilde (Moisés Ortenberg) - (1935-1943) Argentina - 37 (15) - 0 (0) - 5 10. Ricky Womack - (1984-2001) (defeated Holyfield 3 times in the amateur) 13(6) - 0 (0) - 1"

etc etc...

 

Being undefeated means a lot when you've fought good fighters like Calzaghe.

 

If you compare two retired fighters that both finished undefeated......

Floyd Mayweather fought.....

Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x 2
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Philip N'Dou
Genaro Hernandez


Sven Ottke fought.....

Robin Reid
Glen Johnson
David Starie
Byron Mitchell
Thomas Tate
Anthony Mundine
Charles Brewer
Tocker Pudwill

One has an excellent resume, the other filled with average fighters. Joe Calzaghe must be somewhere in between, in truth.