Rank these truth machines from the 90's and 2000's

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  1. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure if many will care about this thread or not but I wanted to post about some fighters that I have seen in recent threads that I remember fondly. These are guys that never were the top guy in their division but they were truth machines or the type of guys that were a handful for just about anyone. They all had different styles and strengths with some real weaknesses. At the end of the day, they were all solid and deserving of a thread. So how would you rank them? Or if you would rather, who were your personal favorites?


    Ivan Robinson
    Glen Johnson
    Micky Ward
    Verno Phillips
    Charles Brewer
    Oba Carr
    Julio Cesear Gonzalez
     
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  2. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Glen Johnson stands out to me as the best of the bunch. Thoroughly dominated RJ, beat Tarver when Tarver was coming off his KO of Roy, & was the legitimate top LHW in the world for a brief spell. None of the others on this list reached those heights.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    They were all good fighters. Ivan Robinson is the only one I don’t recall ever seeing
     
  4. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If that is the case, then I would highly recommend Gatti/Robinson I
     
  5. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Robinson seemingly came out of nowhere to score 2 upset wins over Gatti, then lost in somewhat disappointing fashion in his next big fight vs. Angel Manfredy, then gradually faded away.

    Oba Carr was like a WW equivalent of Bob Pastor or Jerry Quarry IMO - a good leading contender over several years, but could never overcome the uppermost echelon of the division.

    IMO, Julio Gonzalez was basically an exciting journeyman/TV fighter who came up with a big win under the right circumstances (vs. a faded Dariusz) & then quickly returned to journeyman status.
     
  6. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree especially regarding Carr. He was an Uber talented fighter that had the misfortune to be in the same era as Tito, Oscar and Ike.

    Robinson was a solid fighter and former amateur standout. I think the Gatti fights took a lot out of him and he never really was the same.

    Julio Gonzalez fought one of the most exciting fights I have ever seen against journeyman banger Julien Letterlough. I didn't think he had a chance in hell of beating DM in Germany but he fought like always did, and outslugged the againg German.

    So many solid fighters from that era that are rarely discussed. Almost all of these guys are either broke, dead or suffering from CTE.
     
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    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Definitely watch the Gatti fights. Ivan was a tough, skilled Philly fighter that just lacked KO power. He could fight though.
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

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    He beat a very faded RJJ though who's punch resistance was totally shot, i also don't think Johnson beat Tarver in their 1st fight it was a controversial decision that not many had him winning.

    I know stats don't always tell the whole story but Tarver had a pretty significant edge over Johnson.

    Tarver landed 296 punches to Johnson's 217.

    Power punches 220 for Tarver to Johnson's 140.

    I don't think i've ever seen anyone score it for Johnson, it was a competitive fight don't get me wrong but i don't see how it's possible to have Johnson winning the fight.
     
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    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I still rate Johnson the best out of the group listed but I agree that Tarver won both of those fights. Johnson is just one of those guys that was pure hell too fight even though he almost always came up short. Sven Ottke legit beat him although some think Johnson outworked him. Julio Cesar Gonzalez edged him, Clinton Woods got a draw in a fight that I thought Johnson won. I was ringside in St Louis when he lost a close fight to Tavous Cloud in a fight that could have gone either way.

    So many close fights for Johnson. He was a tough and durable guy that did a lot of things well but never had overwhelming power or speed. He was just steady.
     
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    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong i wasn't trying to discredit Johnson i respect him highly as a fighter, he's the ultimate road warrior willing to fight anyone at any time and always gave a great effort the 1st fight vs Dawson was another great effort.

    But for all the talk of Johnson being hard done by in some fights the 1st Tarver fight was definitely a gift it's one of those competitive fights that you just know Tarver definitely won kind of like Lomachenko vs Haney.
     
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  11. Mastrangelo

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    I think He was a bit more than just an exciting journeyman. He was definitely a top Light Heavyweight for quite a few years.
    He has a legimate win over Glen Johnson, beat David Telesco, Montell Griffin... and on neutral ground, could've gotten the nod against Clinton Woods as well, to become a 2 time world champion.

    All of those fighters mentioned have their place in boxing history - I enjoyed watching them all and not sure if I could pick a favorite.
    I'd say that Verno Phillips and Glen Johnson are two who probably stand out in terms of career accomplishments. Brewer, Carr and Gonzalez were undisputedly world level fighters - and I'd put Carr in that class even though He never picked up a title.
    Micky and Ivan were more of a gate-keepers, perhaps fringe contenders for short spell. You probably have to put those 2 behind the rest of the bunch, realistically.
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    Not to mention giving Dariusz Michalczewski's his first loss in 48 fights and ending his long title reign.
     
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    Have you ever seen his fight with Letterlough? It's one of my favorites from that era. Brutal fight!
     
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    I have yeah a very long time ago I have been meaning to rewatch it again and score it for the scorecard thread.
     
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  15. Mastrangelo

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    @bolo specialist certainly is not wrong when He points out that Michalczewski was faded, long in a tooth by then - which is why I wanted to give attention to the fact that Gonzalez beat some other, solid contenders from that era also.
    It wasn't just the right time to push Dariusz off the cliff - Julio was also the right guy to do it. Maybe not the only guy - but one of a few, at that time, in any case.