Ranking Jack Sharkey's Filmed Fights, By Performance

I know, I was using him as an example. There are many more. And Wills quit right away, he did not press on for many rounds.

 

I'd struggle to think of many more acceptable situations to quit than a broken bone in the first round of a non title fight. It was a one off in over 80 fights and quickly avenged.

 

Good point !

 

I agree with you. There are various degrees of quitting.

You have type who quits uninjured

You have the type who quits faking an injury or low blow.

You have the type who gets injured, not winning the fights and uses an injury as an excuse.

You have the types that are serious injuries and forced to quit.

To quote Ali, most of them can get up but choose not to. Isn't that a form of quitting? By the way if not for Dundee, Ali quits the first Liston fight. And I didn't see Frazier who had as much heart as anyone pushing Futch off and coming out for the 15th round, when Ali himself was thinking bout opting out, shown in the semi rare Frazier doc. One could say Frazier was ready to go when Futch did not let him. If Frazier really wanted to, I say we see the 15th round. Eddie could have thrown in the towel the second Frazier was hurting, but he felt it want worth the risk.

A rare form of quitting is those who were injured, and in the lead late in a fight that make a " decision " to quit rather than to risk further injury.

 

Is this supposed to be offensive or are you so unbearably pompous that you refuse to use the reply button?

No. I don't need dusty old penguins who were born 200 years ago to think and argue for me. It's my list, I don't care what a so-called boxing historian thinks of it.

Clearly I'm a kid who's gotten under your skin

#1: if I don't much about boxing, I'm surprised you've even heard of it.

#2: you're perfectly right, I won't find what you're asking me to find. Because quite simply, I won't be looking.

#3: it shows an immensely fragile ego and/or massive insecurities to immediately assume that I hate Vitali Klitschko because I don't have him top four in my heavyweight all-time list. I don't hate Vitali, and I haven't said one bad word about him or his character in this, or any other thread. I'm just not dangling off his bollocks like you are.

#4: you say I'm ducking your question - which I answered very plainly - only to not answer my request. Where is your list?

You don't seem to have fully grasped what I've been saying. I don't rate him at 28 because he lost to Byrd and an old out of shape Lewis. I don't rate people lower for losing. I rate people for beating great, or at least half decent, fighters.

This is abundantly clear, having explained this in black and white on the thread I linked you pertaining my list. On page two of this thread alone, my exact quotes are:

"I never said I rate Vitali low on my heavyweights list because he quit."
"I rate him lower because of his ****ing dire opposition and failing to beat the two best of them."

So, all of this **** about me being inconsistent to belittle Vitali and have him lower is in your own head. Just like the entire argument you seem to be having with yourself.

By my standards - which is obviously what I use for my own list - he's rated fine.

You can do if you'd like to needlessly waste even more of your own time. It makes no difference to me.

This might actually be the gayest thing I've ever seen. Wtf

You have the self awareness of a garden gnome.

 

I just saw that Mendoza has Louis outside of first tier... This disqualifies his list even more than Vitali rank

 

Not taking any sides but this had me laughing out loud Quite possibly, the funniest thing I've ever seen in the history of ESB.

 

Profile pic material.

 

^^ Like I said you do not have anything close to a frame of reference, people in or observing boxing 3x -5x of your age, do not agree with you. So you come ip with crap like this. Your double standards are something so obvious, you won't even look at them. Most knows V Klitschko woud kick the crap out Charles, Sharkey, or Paterson, except for the haters.

Sure sure a modern day champion would struggle as often with a 6 foot man, 190-210 pounds who lost and drew more than the fingers I have on both hands to count. Keep believing that, after all the competition was sooooo much better way back when, just because you say so and disregard others who were there who disagree with your " list " I waste my time pointing out all of the above. - Mendoza.

 

Wills has quite a few DQ's in his career, this could signify he was a rule bender or it could also suggest a man who wanted out of matches. Do you know all of these circumstances? Point being he could have opted out more than once.

In comparison to Chris Byrd, Battling Jim isn't the same level of opponent. By 1917, Wills had mastered Langford and Mcvey due to their age. Such as quick exit makes you wonder. How bad of a break was it?

I recommend this excellent article on Wills. On film he's not as impressive as I hoped.

https://fightfilmcollector.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-trouble-with-harry-harry-wills-vs.html

 

No, I'm just not wasting my time looking. And in case you haven't noticed, I don't give a **** if other people lists don't match mine. I can think for myself.

What does age have to do with boxing knowledge? I can name people within five years of my age who know more about boxing than you ever will.

They're so obvious that the only one seeing them is the man who'd ***** himself out for any man from Eastern Europe. You're the only one who's offended by my placement of Vitali Klitschko. You're also the most emotionally invested in Vitali Klitschko.

Coincidence?

Why would he? He didn't 'kick the crap' out of Chris Byrd. He didn't even win. He quit. Charles and Sharkey at their best give Vitali rough fights. Even still, it's been made perfectly clear that head-to-head has absolutely ZERO bearing on my list. So whether he'd kick the **** out of them or kiss them on the cheek and buy them flowers doesn't mean a thing. He didn't beat anybody as good as the men Sharkey, Charles and Patterson beat.

What do you have which leads you to believe I hate Vitali Klitschko?

What difference does this make? You rank Jeffries - one of the oldest heavyweight champions in gloved boxing - in the second tier of all-time. Clearly being modern doesn't make much of a difference to you, and it definitely doesn't for me. Seems like your list of adjectives to boost up Vitali is extremely thin.

You mean like quitting against them with only three rounds left? When they have no power?

Yeah, and?

Yes, and you'll do well to recognise that your pathetic mancrush wasn't even the number two in the worst era in heavyweight history.

I mean, it isn't just because I say so. It's because it's true

The fighters Sharkey beat were much better than the ones Vitali beat. And the 30s were way better than the 2000s. Not even close. Saying that this is because I said so, is basically denying that this is a commonly held opinion. It's not because I said so, it's because it's almost unanimously the worst era in heavyweight history.

Read the thread. I didn't disregard people who disagreed with my list, I disregarded you because you're a deluded fool. I said I don't need them to think for myself. And I don't. I can argue my own list, with my own opinions, with my own knowledge. Clearly you can't.

So that's it?

Where's the rest of your reply?

I thought you were going easy on me?

Now that's it?

 

Bump.

 

Mcvey outlasted Mendoza. I'd say he won the war.

 

McVey was an elite poster. I miss his contributions.

Mendoza was largely an idiot.