Rare Footage of Dempsey Tunney 2 ...

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Besides the clarity , look at the 2:00 mark and see how badly Tunney staggers Dempsey in round four of the rematch .. I never saw or even read this before .. shows just how much we do not know without actually seeing the bouts ..

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  2. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Nice observation, Tunney short-circuited Dempsey there, causing his legs to buckle badly.
     
  3. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dempsey really looked terrible in this fight, far worse than he did in their first fight IMO. His speed, reflexes, intensity, and punch resistance all seemed totally gone by this time. By contrast, Dempsey was still fiery and aggressive in their first fight, which was one of the most hectic, fast-paced HW battles I've ever seen:
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    Having said that, I've always thought Tunney could've been a tough fight for Dempsey even on his best day. If he could've avoided being "blitzed" early, he might've been able to do similar to what Bill Brennan did in their rematch:
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  4. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    you mean tunney? good footage thanks!
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Dempsey said Tunney did not pit pat but had explosions in his punch. I've seen this before, always thought that Dempsey's heralded granite chin was always a little sensationalized in his mythology. Even though this is way past his best.
     
  6. Joe E

    Joe E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tunney makes Dempsey like an amateur.
     
  7. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I mean Dempsey in the rematch (which is the fight the thread starter posted). I thought Dempsey looked markedly worse in the rematch with Tunney than he had in their first fight (the first fight is the one I posted).
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Didn't he get shutout basically in both fights? (Except for the 2nd fight long-count round).
     
  9. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, but the fights themselves followed almost contrasting patterns. In the first fight, Dempsey swarmed all over Tunney at the outset, and forced him to stay on the move and fight all-out to keep Dempsey off of him. Dempsey had some moments of success in the early rounds before Tunney took firm control in the middle rounds and dominated the rest of the way. In the rematch, Dempsey actually allowed Tunney to take it to him and even pin him against the ropes for much of the fight, before landing that surprise flurry late in the fight that floored Tunney.
     
  10. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Gotcha, thanks My2Sense.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Tunney himself said Dempsey was markedly better in their second fight, he said he noticed a difference in him straight away.
     
  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see what on earth he could be referring to.

    Look at how Dempsey started off in the rematch, and how many times he let Tunney bully him to the ropes in just the first two rounds alone:
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    Compare that to how Dempsey came out swinging in their first fight, which I posted above.

    I would suspect maybe Tunney was trying to justify being dropped in the rematch. :think
     
  13. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    I dont see how anyone can say dempsey had some early success in the first fight. He was clueless against Tunney in both. Even then radio commentator in the first fight was puzzled by Dempsey's inability to do anything with Tunney as early as the first round.
     
  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sure he was, given what Dempsey normally did to opponents at the start of fights, and the expectations of what he was supposed to do to Tunney. But at least he managed to break through with some solid punches here and there, and he rocked Tunney a couple times early in the 4th. He didn't just let Tunney back him up round after round and slam him with right hands along the ropes, as he did in the rematch.
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I've long had a theory regarding Dempsey and it seems proven by the Gibbons, Sharkey and Tunney bouts and that is that Dempsey was for the most part a self taught fighter from his mining camp days to his title run .. he had endless trainers and managers here and there but little , consistent fundamental training .. my point is that he got by on natural ability but never learned how to cut off a ring properly, deal with a boxer or even throw a jab .. imagine if he had the benefit of a solid foundation of consistent training with his natural skill set ?