Rarely-mentioned Marciano ability

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    After reading some of the posts...and the clues saying that Rocky's attribute can't be taught. I'm going to give an answer that might not make sense at first...Fear.
    Perhaps it was fear that drove him to run further, and work harder in the gym like a fanatic...A fear of hardship and knowing where he and his family came from, and what they had to overcome, and how hard they worked...Rocky wasn't afraid of any man in a ring...
    It was the fear of failure that drove Marciano...that's what fueled him.
    JG, did I get it?
     
  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm going to say that if you knocked him down (or things got desperate like the split nose complements of Ezzard), he actually seemed to get stronger/more dangerous/more likely to finish you -because of it.
     
  3. Chinxkid

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    I'm sure I'm way off JG, but one thing I've always noticed about the way Marciano fought was the way he moved in; he slid in, inch by inch, give him an inch he'll take your head off kind of thing, and that wa how he controlled the pace of he fight. Some guys controlled the fight by being elusive, and if you were gonna get him you had to chase him down, but still the other guy was controlling the fight.

    Rocky wa always coming forward, but an inch at a time. He didn't overcommit, but he didn't stop either, and before you knew it and after it was too late he was in his range.
     
  4. Dempsey1238

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  5. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I will guess at his ability to preserve and not waste energy.

    I have never seen anybody throw 100 punches, all with his full weight behind them, yet use the minimum energy possible when throwing those punches. Same goes with the way he moves around the ring, defensively being hard to hit, but using nowhere near the energy levels that a Tunney or Ali, or anyone else would use, in doing so.
     
  6. Chinxkid

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    Killer instinct, J.
     
  7. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Appreciate all the thinking and digging you guys have done, not to mention the ring savvy you've demonstrated.

    But, I think S89s insight about Rocky getting stronger and more dangerous if he was dropped is close enough to a bull’s-eye to wrap the thread. No need dragging it on like American idol.

    Good fighters rage back if they have their bell rung…Sometimes instinct, sometimes pride, sometimes to ward off a predator who smells blood in the water.

    The slick ones shoeshine for time.

    The solid pros -- no matter how resolute, after being buzzed -- are rarely able to rumble back with maximum firepower.

    That was Rocky’s edge: He hit just as hard when his knee cleared the canvas – or clearing the cobwebs -- as he did at the opening bell.

    Sure Rocky did all the things you read about to drain a man’s will, but that singular ability was more demoralizing than anything else in his arsenal, according to Louis, Moore, Walcott and LaStarza, who I spoke with years later, and trainers Ray Arcel, Whitey Bimstein, Al Silvani, and Freddie brown.

    The wunderkinds and Robinson-clones that watched Rocky in the gym or at the Garden and licked their lips at a future match thought of him like cancer: He could only happen to the other guy.
     
  8. McGrain

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    :lol:
     
  9. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good stuff JG...Rocky did rage back in hard situations. (I'm slapping my forehead right now) Ray Robinson shared that very same characteristic with Marciano...One of the reasons I like Robinson so much in comparison to other great welters and middles. It's a trait of refusing to be dominated in anyway...Two very different individuals, Ray and Rocky, but problably more similar to each other than each realized. Do you know how Robinson and Marciano regarded each other?...and their styles? On the old 'Main Event' show, Rocky commented that Ray had the most perfect left jab he's ever seen...But that's the public persona...I've heard that Robinson didin't care for Al Weil or Marciano after the Louis fight. Carrying a grudge, due to his closeness with Louis.
     
  10. McGrain

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    He carried his power allright, it's true. When I'm thinking about Rocky, I always feel like you would know in the first round if he was going to lose - if he was matched with one of these guys we often pick over him, a Lennox Lewis or whatever - because if he's not being bullied and dominated, he's one of those "find a way guys" that will bull through on you.

    Everyone else has, so i'll just list my favourite thing about Rocky - he's a real pressure fighter. He's hardly ever out of the pocket. When he is, he's basicallly on his way back within the second. It mus be horrific to try to deal with that for even the mentally strongest of men - if you're going to fight him you're fighting him for close to three minutes of every round.

    Combined with your astute observation concerning Rocky's ability to carry his power, it makes for a horrible, horrible fighter to be in the ring with.
     
  11. Bummy Davis

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    Very well put....once you got in the ring with him it was like one of those dreams...Nightmares
     
  12. spion

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    The way Marciano went to the body was something! You don't find too many heavies other than Frazier that delivered that kind of punishment.
     
  13. Bummy Davis

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    Freddie Brown was one the best trainers in my oppinion...I asked him about Marciano fighting Ali and he said Marciano would have won...the guy would not let anyone beat him, he could really punch...he was great or something to that manner
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    Freddie Brown was one the best trainers in my oppinion...I asked him about Marciano fighting Ali and he said Marciano would have won...the guy would not let anyone beat him, he could really punch...he was great or had something great in him, something to that manner...Freddie was not a sport celebrity, he was a blue collor boxing guy, a guy you wanted in the corner..and one of the most respected boxing minds amoung the elite of the boxing trainers and scribes.
     
  15. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That may be the most sublime and well-crafted statement (in bold) I've read on this site. I have the goosebumps. I'm inspired enough to drive a few miles west to the Brockton YMCA, lace up the gloves, jump into the pool up to my neck, and throw punches under water for 2 hours.

    That was part of Marciano's "undiminishing power" secret.

    Thanks JG.