Rashad beats ANY version of Chuck

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  1. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    It was clear from the outset of this fight that Chucks fabled counter punching was immediately negated by Evans much more savvy boxing. He was quicker, more accurate more polished and far more elusive than Chuck thought.

    For years Chuck has got away with sloppy technique and to be frank has not evolved with MMA. Evans was timing that over hand counter since the beginning of the fight and Chuck with his usual probing low left was surely bound to eat a right hand which he did throughout the bout and hence the cut.

    Evans has always been a crafty counter puncher with underrated striking. His not pleasing to watch because his so conservative. But when he does let loose its highlight reel material.
     
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  2. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    I don't agree
    A prime Liddell with His speed and his reflexe that he had, combined with his power who is disminished because of lost of speed, is enough to KO that version of Evans.
    Evans is nothing special, and Liddell is 38 years old. He is clearly on the decline.
    Couture, is just an exception.
     
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  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Agred he is certainly on the decline as his lifestyle isnt as clean as Randys. But Liddell does nothing diffrent to what he used to do when he was younger. His always been an effective counter puncher but thats immediately negated as soon as he meets someone who`s a better striker than him. The fact of the matter is Evans and Rampage are far more polished strikers than Liddell and better at what Liddell is best at. Because Liddell is so wide open defensively ironically his very easy to counter. That over hand right was very similar to the same punch that Rampage used in there second bout that caught Liddell completely unaware.
     
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  4. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    yeah, that's because of a loss of reflexe I think + bad technic.
    But you are right, the biggest negative thing about Liddell career, is his lifestyle ala Ricky Hatton.
     
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  5. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I agree. Lidell has never changed. He has been a product of savvy matchmaking by the UFC (not to insinuate that he was a fraud coz he is not). He was an exciting fighter with alot of heart..he makes people watch and was a great champion.

    But he would always have problems with great strikers...I mean he had problems with Vernon White who was a an above average striker and a welterweight. Had problems with overeem as well.

    Chuck matches up well with wrestlers or submission guys just becausde he had an excellent TD defense
     
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  6. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Thats it in a nutshell. When he fought Overeem he was shook to the sole of his boots in the early stages of the fight but he recovered. If Overeems chin wasnt as poor the result possibly may have been diffrent. But either way up against a good striker and Chuck is totally nullified.
     
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  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He knocked two of the best strikers at 205 into a coma in a prime Mezger and Overeem.
     
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  8. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Not discounting his win over Overeem who is a solid opponent but look what happened when he faced Rampage later on in the tourny. Overeem is a nice striker but that guy has an awful chin as well as zero survival instincts and sloppy striking. Great win for Chuck but i wouldnt call Overeem one of the premier strikers at 205. The guys just too fragile and way too inconsistent.
     
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  9. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Liddell of 04-06 murders Rashad.
     
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  10. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I guess its all moot as back then Rashad was still essentially a fledgling in MMA and Liddell was an accomplished pro. Either way Evans striking IS way more refined than Chucks which has been exposed.
     
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  11. iksrtfo

    iksrtfo Jedi Knight of Poon Full Member

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    nah.

    I saw it coming. Evans wasn't throwing **** and running. Chuck was just on the offensive stalking him down. They were like damn near into the middle of the fight and then rashad throws on punch and it connects. It's not like he beat chucks ass. He landed a ko shot.

    I saw it coming when chuck was pawing the left and bringing it back low. It was like the only thing on his mind was landing his right hand.
     
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  12. iksrtfo

    iksrtfo Jedi Knight of Poon Full Member

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    Yeah but looking sharp and refined doesn't equal better in the UFC. Look at Silvia. His sloppy striking outstruck better looking strikers.
     
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  13. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh no doubt man on Monday when I did boxing class first thing our coach had us do it throw a proper uppercut cause he brought up how Chuck threw basically a armpunch uppercut and left his left hand at his waist. Chucks a crappy striker he just has great power and for a period of time was able to use good movement and create angles leading guys into him to get KOed cold. Agianst Rashad,Randy in the 1st bout,Jardine,Rampage they where set on not coming forward and eventually Chuck got fustrated and he would come forward where hes horrible at he doesnt have the striking for it. I know he beat Wanderlei recently but hell even Wanderleis got crappy striking its like a drunk retarted person when he uses his hands hes just got good agressivness and power. His clinch is top level though atleast for MMA.
     
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  14. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    That was an ill advised fight for Wandy since he hadn't fought for a while. He started looking better in his last fight. Not sure how far back he will make it though. I'd love to see Silva of old.
     
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  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Thats the truth. As much as i like Wandy his boxing technique is awful. Strange for a guy who`s main strength is his Muay Thai..
     
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