Rate Beau Jack Please

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I noticed he wasn't in ESB's top 20 lightweight rankings before they were taken down, which is ridiculous IMO

    Sammy Angott
    Fritz Zivic
    Bob Montgomery
    HANK ARMSTRONG,
    Willie Joyce
    Lew Jenkins
    Bummy Davis
    Tip Larkin and avenged Janiro.

    He could only ever NOT BEAT Ike Williams.


    That's a ridiculous resume.
     
  2. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Top 20, easy. Wouldn't look out of place in the lower end of the top 10, though I personally would be inclined to place him just outside (like, 12-13)
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    He was a beast.
    Yeah, he'd have to be top 20.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Lightweight is so deep.
     
  5. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    cant remember a top 20 ranking off the top of my head I can remember rummy,s top ten . top twenty yeah, top ten not for me . h2h a beast I would think as when at the top of his game he would of no doubt been an amazing sight a swarming volume puncher and with great upper strength .off the top of my head though how long was his prime
     
  6. McGrain

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    Jack didn't make the 20 of the ESB poll organised by Rummy, but look how deep:

    1. 605 Roberto Duran (15)
    2. 593 Benny Leonard (14)
    3. 348 Joe Gans (2)
    4. 243 Pernell Whitaker
    5. 230 Henry Armstrong
    6. 217 Ike Williams
    7. 168 Carlos Ortiz
    8. 87 Tony Canzoneri
    9. 51 Barney Ross
    10. 47 Jack McAulife (1)
    11. 38 Alexis Arguello
    12. 15 Julio Cesar Chavez
    13. 14 Joe Brown
    14. 10 [tie] Packey McFarland
    14. 10 [tie] Sugar Shane Mosley
    16. 9 Ken Buchanan
    17. 7 Jack Blackburn
    18. 5 Freddie Welsh
    19. 4 [tie] Lou Ambers
    19. 4 [tie] Bob Montcomery
    19. 4 [tie] Sammy Mandell


    Bloody nightmarish. McFarland is fourteen.
     
  7. Mr Butt

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    as I thought this was taken from our top 10 lists . if rummy had asked for a top twenty I am sure he would of made mine and probably a few other list's

    lightweight really is a deep division the boxers in danger of slipping out for me as I think I would have jack and another boxer in near the bottom the list are Blackburn, mandell and ambers
     
  8. LittleRed

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    6/10 would not bang.
     
  9. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    IMO he is forgotten, I mean, even in here he is not discussed enough, I would put him in a top 15 easily if I have a list...
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Wow, Lou Ambers only made the bottom run of the top 20.
     
  11. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    when i saw this thread, I thought this poem might be appropriate:


    Philadelphia, 1946.
    Night. My father and I are walking home
    along a pavement raked by swirling snowflakes
    wherever the wind kicks up. Having just emerged
    from under the beamed shadows of the El
    we cross to the Arena, heading home
    – to mashed potatoes, sisters, downcast eyes,
    anger and sullen silence – past the wall
    in which a door stands open and I see
    in luminous blackness hundreds of black shapes,
    heads and shoulders, the sides of faces silvered
    in swirls of smoke, the embers of cigars
    glowing an instant and then blacking out –
    far off in the black depths the source of light,
    the canvas square of ring circled by kliegs
    and a slim brown man who has a bigger man
    pinned on the ropes, digging blood-red gloves
    methodically, like a man chopping wood,
    into his ribs, the white skin splotching pink.
    Could I have seen at that distance the rocking
    and ripple of muscle under the bronze skin
    or did I just imagine all of this?
    It couldn’t have been much more than a second –
    my father was a very impatient man –
    but there it is, as radiant as just now.
    My arm was jerked hard, I was dragged away
    wondering desperately who the man was – then
    there he was on a poster, fists cocked, poised,
    smiling behind his gloves. I have forgotten
    the name of his opponent but not his name.
    I loved him, and I wanted what he had –
    not the jeweled belt, the title, money, fame –
    what could they mean to an eleven-year-old?
    No, what I wanted was the pride and power,
    prowess and speed and grace, and even more,
    fearlessness in the face of bigger men.
    And that most beautiful of names – Beau Jack.
     
  12. turbotime

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    I've read that poem before, JG. Great stuff :smoke

    Top 15 for me. Buchanan makes the cut and Jack not making it is pretty outlandish IMO
     
  13. burt bienstock

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    How do I do justice to the name Beau Jack ? Other than to repeat that Beau Jack
    headlined the first pro main event I saw at St. Nicholas Arena in New York City, and Beau
    was the most exciting action packed fighter I ever saw. So exciting was he that I a yoingster, and my buddy traveled by bus to Philadelphia to watch the fading Beau Jack
    fight the murderous punching Ike Williams almost decapitate Beau Jack, before the
    referee finally stopped the fight with Beau out on his feet with his arms dangling in back of him ensnared in the ropes, and Jack was unabled to fall...I saw Beau whip Henry Armstrong ,ans many other times...One fight I will never forget was in 1947 when Beau Jack broke his kneecap in the ring with Tony Janiro ,and was literally hopping on one leg
    determined to continue until the referee stopped the fight...Beau Jack, very powerful
    threw every punch in the book,in clusters, in volleys and always on the attack, who sokd out MSG 7 times in ONE year... Too bad that todays fans only see him on film when he was fading, against Ike Williams... When Beau was younger and fresher he was a helluva
    lightweight to behold...
     
  14. Mr Butt

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    :good
     
  15. turbotime

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    Insane memories, b :happy :happy