I will atempt a bit of a list: 1. Sam Langford 2. Bob Fitzsimmons 3. Harry Greb 4. Tommy Burns 5. Tommy Loughran 6. Joe Choynski 7. Tommy Gibbons 8. Kid Norfolk 9. Billy Miske 10. Jack Dillon
Input respected. Like Choynski but not that high. To me he was almost a game keeper. Only the very best beat him at his peak, 1890-1900 Corbett, Fitz, Maher, Sharkey, Jeffries(draw) etc, people zone in on his Johnson fight, in the greater scheme of things not a big fight. Johnson was learning his trade on the road and Joe was 3/4 years past his best. A really concussive puncher, P4P great puncher, good boxer too but a bit chinny. misses my top 10 but a great fighter. Burns I take on board, for a few years he really was something, dominating O'Brien, Jim Flynn and Hart-good stuff.
A dry run; 1-Langford 2-Tunney 3-Fitz 4-Greb 5-Loughran 6-Clarke 7 Burns, 8 Gibbons 9 Norfolk 10 Ketchel 11 Walker 12 Root, 13 McCoy 14 Dillon 15 Choynski 16 O'Brien 17 Ryan 18 Walcott 19 Carpentier 20 Levinsky 21 Miske 22 Gardner 23 Childs 24 Delaney 25 Stribling
I will start with a bot of an attempt at a tier system. Tier 1 - Good enough to be the best fighter in the world Fitzsimmons Tunney Burns Langford O Brien Tier 2 - Nearly good enough to be the best fighter in the world Greb Loughran Choynski Norfolk Walker McCoy Darcy (please tell me it was an accidental ommission) Tier 3 - Unbeatable at the lighter weights but never really a contender for best fighter in world Ryan Ketchell Walcott Tier 4 - Very good as at light heavy level and solid contenders Gibbons (tommy) Carpentier Levinskey Miske Root Dillon Sullivan (Mike) Gardner Tier 5- Good at 175 or below Childs Delaney Thompson Berlanbach Delaney Siki McTigue Tier 6 - Brilliant at middleweight or lighter but not proven at higher weight Gibbons (mike) Sullivan (Jack) MacFarland Papke Tier 6 Rated much higher by everybody else except me. Clarke
Boilermaker, have you started drinking the contents of dem der barrells? Jeff Clarke-bottom tier for you, re-evaluate please (and I'll do the same with Darcy). Look at his first 150 or so fights that bring him up to 1915 when he was coming 30, losses only to Langford, Jeannette(avenged) Dixie Kid (who had his number) Wuest(avenged) and a Jack Reed(?) He beat a slew of fighters some good, some great. Try Jim Johnson, Twin Sullivan, Maher, Jim Barry. Or try Norfolk, Levinsky, Luther McCarty, Jeanette, SAM LANGFORD and a draw with HARRY WILLS?
I can't see Tunney being rated above Greb. Tunney actually peaked as a heavyweight, imo. The fights with Gibbons, Dempsey, Heeney, where he weighed 180-190 pounds.