Rate best sub 175 men pre 1930.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I will atempt a bit of a list:

    1. Sam Langford
    2. Bob Fitzsimmons
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Tommy Burns
    5. Tommy Loughran
    6. Joe Choynski
    7. Tommy Gibbons
    8. Kid Norfolk
    9. Billy Miske
    10. Jack Dillon
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Some smaller guys who would do prety well on this list are Walcott and Walker.
     
  3. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Input respected.
    Like Choynski but not that high. To me he was almost a game keeper. Only the very best beat him at his peak, 1890-1900 Corbett, Fitz, Maher, Sharkey, Jeffries(draw) etc, people zone in on his Johnson fight, in the greater scheme of things not a big fight. Johnson was learning his trade on the road and Joe was 3/4 years past his best.
    A really concussive puncher, P4P great puncher, good boxer too but a bit chinny. misses my top 10 but a great fighter.
    Burns I take on board, for a few years he really was something, dominating O'Brien, Jim Flynn and Hart-good stuff.
     
  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A dry run;

    1-Langford
    2-Tunney
    3-Fitz
    4-Greb
    5-Loughran
    6-Clarke
    7 Burns,
    8 Gibbons
    9 Norfolk
    10 Ketchel
    11 Walker
    12 Root,
    13 McCoy
    14 Dillon
    15 Choynski
    16 O'Brien
    17 Ryan
    18 Walcott
    19 Carpentier
    20 Levinsky
    21 Miske
    22 Gardner
    23 Childs
    24 Delaney
    25 Stribling
     
  5. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I will start with a bot of an attempt at a tier system.

    Tier 1 - Good enough to be the best fighter in the world
    Fitzsimmons
    Tunney
    Burns
    Langford
    O Brien
    Tier 2 - Nearly good enough to be the best fighter in the world
    Greb
    Loughran
    Choynski
    Norfolk
    Walker
    McCoy
    Darcy (please tell me it was an accidental ommission)
    Tier 3 - Unbeatable at the lighter weights but never really a contender for best fighter in world
    Ryan
    Ketchell
    Walcott
    Tier 4 - Very good as at light heavy level and solid contenders
    Gibbons (tommy)
    Carpentier
    Levinskey
    Miske
    Root
    Dillon
    Sullivan (Mike)
    Gardner

    Tier 5- Good at 175 or below
    Childs
    Delaney
    Thompson
    Berlanbach
    Delaney
    Siki
    McTigue

    Tier 6 - Brilliant at middleweight or lighter but not proven at higher weight
    Gibbons (mike)
    Sullivan (Jack)
    MacFarland
    Papke

    Tier 6 Rated much higher by everybody else except me.
    Clarke
     
  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boilermaker, have you started drinking the contents of dem der barrells?

    Jeff Clarke-bottom tier for you, re-evaluate please (and I'll do the same with Darcy).

    Look at his first 150 or so fights that bring him up to 1915 when he was coming 30, losses only to Langford, Jeannette(avenged) Dixie Kid (who had his number) Wuest(avenged) and a Jack Reed(?)
    He beat a slew of fighters some good, some great. Try Jim Johnson, Twin Sullivan, Maher, Jim Barry. Or try Norfolk, Levinsky, Luther McCarty, Jeanette, SAM LANGFORD and a draw with HARRY WILLS?
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    I can't see Tunney being rated above Greb.
    Tunney actually peaked as a heavyweight, imo. The fights with Gibbons, Dempsey, Heeney, where he weighed 180-190 pounds.