Rate-by-Rate of some Top Fighters

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Nov 18, 2008.


  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    In the good ol' days, fighters used to fight every other month or so, in some cases, with only a week's break in between fights.

    These days we're lucky if we see fighters get into the ring three times a year.

    Personally, I'd like to see every uninjured prime fighter fight four times a year as a rule.

    Fighters at an earlier stage of their careers are expected to fight more often. Younger fighters are expected to fight more often. Fighters at a lower weight are expected to fight more often. Fighters who fight lesser opposition are expected to fight more often.

    Here's the rate at which some top fighters fight per year, as an average of their last three years:

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    How does that compare to your favourite fighters not included in this list?
     
  2. olyalex

    olyalex Manos de piedra Full Member

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    Roberto Duran has 3.7 with a 2 year brak in his career.
    Oscar de La Hoya 2.75
    Roy Jones 3
    I wuold like the same rule, that a fighter must fight at leat 4-5 times a year
     
  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    ...interesting...:good

    It's difficult to demand that fighters fight at a set rate (e.g. 3-4 times a year) because of injury, for example. Fighters could even claim to be injured to get out of fights or they might not actually find suitable opposition. Only way I can see around that if there was a tournament system - fighters in the top 15 would have to fight someone in the top 15 with the winners fighting each others and the Champ having to fight the highest ranke winner at set intervals. Complicated and probably unfeasible...
     
  4. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Edgar Sosa's is pretty interesting:

    2000 - 4
    2001 - 6
    2002 - 4
    2003 - 4
    2004 - 4
    2005 - 5
    2006 - 4
    2007 - 4
    2008 - 4 (includes his fight against Juanito Rubillar sceduled for 29/11/2008 )

    Very strange that he has fought almost the same number of fights per year for all the years of his career (no big surge at the start followed by less fights as the years go by); four must be his lucky number.

    Very consistent.
     
  5. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    Fighters back in the days fought twice a month but they fought ridiculously bad opposition.

    What's the point of fighting 20 times a year if 18 of these fights are against journeymen and club fighters?

    Can you imagine if Calzaghe fought Carl Daniels next month and then Andre Thysse, followed by Jesus Ruiz and then Donnel Wiggins then finally fights a rematch with Hopkins in May 09? What the hell would be the point?

    Old school fighters didn't fight often because they were tougher or more hardcore. They did it because they didn't get paid enough and had no choice but to stay active to feed their family.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    4/year sounds ideal to me too. You take a month off after a fight to recover completely and regain your mental energy and then you do another 2 months' training camp. It means that you stay active and sharp and dedicated. If you fight a war, though...you might have to take a longer break or pick an easy opponent straight after...I cannot see Vazquez and Marquez going at it four times a year against each other. I can't see Mijares fighting 4 times a year next year after his Vic fight either...
     
  8. olyalex

    olyalex Manos de piedra Full Member

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    It was possible before to have more then 5 fights a year( Archie Moore-7.85), i think it is possible today...good idea about the tournement sistem, but that means less money for some influent people so it will not happen
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    True...

    ...Bute is at 3/year since Bika, by the way...nothing he did before that matters that much...I hope he'll go back to 3/year next year too...his next fight's in February/March and his mandatory 9 months after his last...(July)...so he can easily fit another one in November/December.
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    But as Maxime says, these guys were fighting plenty of club fighters too...they weren't all world class fighters.:good
     
  11. olyalex

    olyalex Manos de piedra Full Member

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    Yes that's true but , you can't tell about a fighter that is great with only 30 fights in all his career. I say at least 50 is needed.:yep
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Because they would face much stiffer opposition and would incur more damage, because the fights would last longer and because they would be older. Thus, they would need more time to recouperate after a fight, on average.
     
  13. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You wanna see old school numbers check out former hot prospect Julio Cesar Garcia, prior to his 2007 career implosion:

    Five year period (2002-2006)

    2002 - 7
    2003 - 12 (!)
    2004 - 8
    2005 - 9
    2006 - 6

    Thats 42 fights at an average of 8.4 per year:yikes

    Of course its not much of an endorsement as far as career paths go, taking into account that his career seems to have gone down the bog since the end of 2006 (2 defeats in his last 3 fights).

    Of course he is still only 21 years old (I know, unbelieveable); he could come back.