Rate Floyd Patterson's chin

I think the reason his chin gets a bad reputation is more to do with him getting knocked down by such mediocre fighters such as PETER RADEMACHER and ROY HARRIS.

He was definitely vulnerable to getting knockled down, and Sonny Liston blew him away as easily as anyone else he ever fought. Many Liston opponents seemed to stand up better to Sonny's punches than Floyd could.

Patterson had an average chin at best, probably average for a light-heavyweight, but he had skill, speed and a ton of heart.

 

What about Ingo and Rademacher?

 

Read my post on this, please.

 

Well, I agree with your points.
But the fact remains that for whatever reason he was vulnerable, esp. in the early rounds.
Whether this should be categorized as "weak chin", "bad chin", "average chin" or nothing to do with chin, I dont know. But it certainly was a handicap, and would be a serious handicap against a certain level of strong, hard-punching and aggressive heavyweight (eg,Liston).
But he did prove capable of beating some hard-punchers (eg. Moore and Johansson) and he also proved himself in getting off the floor to win more often than not, as you point out.

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I agree. I just think the "Patterson had a glass chin" get's very exagerated.

 

I was reading an article in the Sports Illustrated archives last nite. I searched for Patterson articles 1962 thru 1965. One writer mentioned what we have all talked a little about.
"He always stepped into the ring a little anxious and pensive, sort of like a stage fright of sorts. He often bobbed and jumped around rather nervous and somewhat awkward at first; it was at this point he was most likely to suffer his KD's but by the 4th round, Patterson had his game face on and had settled into his 'groove' and was a much more dangerous fighter. " (paraphrased)
Good points IMO. Virtually ALL of his KD's happened inside the first three rounds. I can't recall any of Floyd's post-3rd round KD's that really hurt him at all.
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I believe he didn't suffer a single knockdown after 4 rounds.

 

I think they recorded Ali 1 (6th)
(questionable - slip?)
Bonavena (5th or 6th?)
(questionable - slip?)

Good point TGA!

 

:good That's what I'm always talking about when people bring up the knockdowns of Patterson. I read the article once but didn't find it. Could you post the link, please.

 

kinda hard to say. he is the oddity of the chin debate.

i feel like he had a weak chin but his style was shoulder-over--foot most of the time. but he was also defencivly sound and just a tad to small for the other guys. but could take punishment. had more heart than most heavyweights. at lightheavy he would of not had this problem in my personal opinion.

lets take diego corrales. got dropped by loads of guys even non major punchers, yet was only counted out once (barely).

also the fighters mentioned seemed to just loose there legs. not stiffen up or not know hwere they where just seemed to be unable to stay upright.

 

I think the Ali and Bonavena "knockdowns" were in the 4th rounds of those fights.

 

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/

 

This. :deal

He also was down (and clearly HURT) by Tom McNeeley in the 4th round of their fight, but people don't remember/realize that as much because referee Walcott failed to step in and give Patterson an 8 count.

 

He was stunned and almost immediately recovered to knock McNeeley out only seconds later:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHYEwbmLXI0[/ame]

8:10

I don't think the camera angle gives a clear view of whether Patterson was truly down or not. Previous to the left hook McNeeley's best offense had been his repeated headbutts.

 

He dropped McNeeley, but he didn't knock him out there. McNeeley got up and managed to shake Patterson at least once more (at 9:05 of that vid) before the fight ended.