Rate Joe Louis' chin

Wow,I never knew that , 60 years of watching fights and I've been doing it all wrong!
Thank heavens you are now here to educate us!

 

I really don't understand the point you are trying to make with your sarcasm, it seems kind of silly and childish, especially given the age you claim to have.

 

Dropping Louis is one thing finishing him is a different story entirely.

 

Again, you first stated "who fought" (not beat) more quality punchers. David Jaco meet more quality punchers than Louis:

Ruddock, Tyson, Douglas, Weaver, McCall, Mason, Foreman, Stewart, Morrison, Cooper.

So lets talk about who beat more quality punchers.

Louis: Baer, Retzlaff, Schmeling, Galento, Simon, Baer, Baer, Nova, Maurelio, Walcott, Savold.

Imho, Holmes as well as Tyson beat argubly more quality punchers.

Holmes: Shavers, Shavers, Cooney, James Smith, James Smith, Witherspoon, Norton, Weaver, Weaver, Mercer, Esch

Tyson: Smith, Bruno, Bruno, Ruddock, Ruddock, Golota, Seldon, Stewart.

For example, Walcott imho isn´t more of a puncher than Tony Tucker is as both were boxers, which is what their numbers showed too.

 

Childish, painfully pitiful at your age being petty over internet forums is a young "mans"game.

Why don't you just leave like you claimed you would?

 

I can't think of any cases where somebody fought a big puncher, without taking some sort of hits from them.

Not unless they disposed of them in the first round at least.

If you don't have a decent chin, you don't beat big punchers.

You don't even try if you have any sense!

 

Maybe a 7. He could be rocked or dropped hard frequently but he jumped right back up immediately. What's even more telling is that he didn't back off or run to recover he attacked even after a hard knock down and you didn't see him stumbling around drunk. So he clearly was in excellent shape (never gassed) and had awesome powers of recovery to shake off the cob webs and clear his head. The fact he only had 2 ko losses in 69 fights (and both losses were the result of a non stop barrage of heavy shots) is further proof that he obviously had a decent chin and wasn't glass jawed like some unobservant people have claimed.

 

Excellent post, I agree with everything you wrote here.

 

Would he even have fought as many punchers as he did, if he knew that he had a suspect chin?

A fighter generally has a pretty good idea how good their chin is, from what happens behind closed doors.

If his handlers knew that he had a suspect chin, then they would have steered him away from punchers, or only have fought them when it was unavoidable.

The fact that he fought so many, speaks to a confidence in his chin!

 

Chins are best tested when hit. Louis didn't have a good chin, at least by the standards of a heavyweight champion. Lucky for him he did not face good competition in general and the punchers he fought were often short on skills except for Marciano and Scheming who both beat him. Galento, Baer, were far from skilled.

I'd say about a 6.5 out of 10 Non punchers like Farr and Conn stunned Joe Louis.

 

Who faced better competition than Louis? He has at worst 2nd best resume ever at HW.

 

Not in terms of opposition beaten. No way. Louis has longevity and title defenses, not a lot of quality among those title defenses.

 

That's not true at all.

 

Let's get real here. How many top 25 all time heavies Joe Louis, a guy you think had the 2nd best resume beat?

You can argue Schmeling or Walcott and he should be 2-2 in those fights. You can argue Rocky and Charles, and he's 0-2 in those fights. I'm not even sure if is room for Charles or Walcott in the top 25...but I'm giving it to you to make this point.

Joe Louis is 2-4 vs the best he fought on fair score cards, and please don't say he beat Walcott in the first fight. Yeah he beat Conn, but IMO he was exposed and it that was 12 rounds he losses. Louis vs. bum of the month title defenses don't enhance his resume that much.

He had a very long title reign, but in terms of opposition beaten, that's a different story.

 

Liston was arguably the biggest puncher of the 60's, despite being past his prime and way older than he claimed.
Foreman was arguably the biggest puncher of the 70's.
Neither managed to hit Ali clean, just grazing blows. Foreman managed to land a few good body shots, but that's about it.
So, as you see, it can be done.