Rate Joe Louis' chin

Not really, just having fun with Diamagnetic Levitation. Powerful magnets, combined with the push / pull force of gravity and electricity can make a small ball float, or if you prefer a live frog. Perfected, this could revolutionary for the future.

 

I can't agree with that. Athletes improve every generation and generally get bigger and stronger. The average-sized heavyweight from the 1880's was about 180 pounds. By the 1980's it was about 215 pounds. A 35-pound difference.

Are you saying light heavies hit the same as heavies? While some can, it is rare.

 

Oh, I get it now. It's interesting topic, but right now there is a long way from using it in future.

 

There has been a general trend towards increased size, but it is just that, a trend with considerable overlap.

There is no reason to think that a 200lb fighter from 1980, would hit harder than a 200lb fighter from 1880.

Nothing was developed or changed over that period, that would account for an increase in power.

 

Not to far back

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In a pound for pound sense, I can agree with that.

However athletes have become bigger, faster and stronger. A good speed for weight lift in 1880 doesn't compare to a good speed or weight in 1880. You can say the same for a jump, throwing a ball, ect...

 

I am essentially arguing in a pound for pound sense.

For example there is no reason why Max Baer, couldn't have hit as hard as Liston, Williams, Foreman, Shavers, Bruno, etc.

 

I'd agree there.

 

Thanks John! Means a lot coming from yourself!

 

I initially rated Louis"s chin a 7. After reading the entire thread I would correct that to an 8. Joe's boxing style, coming forward, forcing the fight, essentially forcing his opponent to fight is the first clue. Louis took chances in the ring so he could get his lasers in range. A boxer will take some damage fighting that way conistantly.
Louis fought good punchers. He had no problem with them.

The biggest knock on Joe's chin might be in perception (Billy Conn). Conn buckled Louis late in their 1941 right. Dont let that carry on too long. Part of taking a shot is mental. Joe had no respect for Conn as a puncher and he simply walked into a clean hook. It's a highlight you see often reviewing their great fight.
The man defended the heavyweight Championship 25 times. So 25 times Louis's opponents were sky high, emotionally, focused on the 1 fight that could be their chance. 25 defenses, as great as he was there is No way Joe could have been mentally and emotionally at a peak. Just another day at the office in a sense.
Yet he took whatever they had better than his opponents did.

 

Where are you getting these ideas? Your offering an opinion which is fine but it helps to have something to stand behind it. Otherwise its its more or less bluster.

 

I saw them all fight and given that I boxed myself, I know more than enough to be able to evaluate their skills.
But if you don't care for my opinion, here's what the late great Emanuel Steward has to say about Marciano:

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He talks about him at around the 25:00 mark

 

What has Marciano got to do with anything?

 

I said that: "....it took Marciano 8 rounds cause Marciano wasn't exactly the definition of a very skilled boxer and thus not the most accurate."
ETM replied: "Where are you getting these ideas? Your offering an opinion which is fine but it helps to have something to stand behind it. Otherwise its its more or less bluster."
So that's why I brought it up.

 

OK, but this is a thread about Joe Louis's chin.

The world probably doesn't need another thread about how good/bad Rocky Marciano was.